[kj] OT: Jane's WAS: New October File vid

[Alexander Smith]

I don't remember Love On Ice, but now my curiosity's piqued.

What exactly am I supposed to be listening for in "Ocean Size" or  
"Had a Dad"? Moreover, find me a "LA Glam Metal" band that was  
capable of making that sort've fat, textured sound?

Dave Navarro was a complete stoner metalhead before joining Jane's --  
it's indisputable. But Jane's Addiction as a unit were more than just  
his influence. While his playing is crucial to the whole, I'd say his  
metal tendencies were balanced by Eric Avery's bass playing.

Simply put: Jane's Addiction were from L.A., yes and incorporated  
elements of metal to their music, but were by no means an "LA Glam  
Metal" band. Full stop.

You're Canadian.

Alex in NYC



On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:14 AM, Leigh Newton wrote:


> Ted (Alex, TB, Javier...), Just Admit It.....

>

>

> ....there is a seed of truth to be found in the dumb, mostly off- 

> base (but not outright false or it wouldn't be funny) joke I made  

> about JA/LA Glam Metal with dreads. Listen to Ocean Size and Had a  

> Dad and own up to what you KNOW in your heart to be true but are  

> just too embarassed to come to terms with! ;)

>

> Leigh

>

> PS - Remember Love On Ice? It was like on one end you've got Jane's  

> Addiction. On the other (though not very far away), you've got  

> Faster Pussycat. In the middle sat Love On Ice.

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Javier Garcia <jagargal at lycos.com>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)  

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 5:40:26 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Jane's WAS: New October File vid

>

> Jane's Addiction was (and still is) one of my favorite bands, that  

> mix of very talented musicians along with Perry Farrell's lyrics  

> was extraordinary, the man is really talented; i know there are  

> some very "cheesee-ones" and other pretty "smoked" lyrics, but  

> there are also a lot of very smart-powerful moments in Jane's  

> Addiction lyrics. Not to talk about the musical energy they  

> projected. I even like Porno For Pyros a very lot and also got  

> Farrell's solo album which was good to me. He spreads a very  

> authentic kind of energy in every project he creates/involves, and  

> because of that I understand he stands in that position of love-him  

> or hate-him, with almost no middle range. But still you may  

> recognize the man is a pretty good lyric writer, he aproaches to a  

> lot of very common social issues in a very creative way.

>

> On the other hand "Strays" was not exciting, Navarro's band called  

> Panic Channel is lame, and Satellite Party isn't very exciting  

> either... but there were some awesome moments in the past.

>

> They were not very well know in Mexico -maybe they got some  

> recognition after 'Beeing Caught Stealing' but not really too much-  

> so that over-rated band status doesn't fit into my personal view at  

> all. But as a J.A. old fan i'm glad they got some big credit  

> outside. To me they were awesome.

>

> Mis dos pesos

>

> Javier

> mexico city

>

>

>

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>

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>

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> Subject : Re: [kj] OT: Jane's WAS: New October File vid

>

> Date : Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:13:44 +1300 (NZDT)

>

> From : "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

>

> To : "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"  

> <gathering at misera.net>

>

>

>

> Okay, I took the bait and agreed that Jane's addiction suck,  

> perhaps not

>

> because they are LA glam metal (and I know all that stuff too...was a

>

> massive WASP fan in particular), but...dunno. Something about them  

> just

>

> annoys me. Perhaps it's the adulation they got that overshadowed other

>

> bands that I thought were far more deserving...

>

>

>

> Saying something is just 'LA rock' or whatever isn't really a fair

>

> criticism...even though I'm not really into that sound. Motley Crue  

> etc

>

> suck shit IMO, but not because they are LA glam metal or anything.

>

>

>

> There's still some gems in that genre...Dream On by Aerosmith I  

> rate as a

>

> classic...most of the rest of their stuff seemed to be crowd  

> pleasing pap,

>

> Dream On to me is a hint of what they could have become if they had

>

> ditched the circus sideshow and decided to make EPIC FUCKING MUSIC :).

>

> Tyler's voice was legendary, until he screamed it to death.

>

>

>

> GNR, well I'll agree to disagree, but I'll never have a fair  

> perspective

>

> because they 'groundbreaking' (for me) band that I was contemporary  

> with

>

> when I was rebelling at 13...

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Sorry, as I struggle to get out of needlessly argumentative mode,  

> but

>

> > Jane's Addiction may not have been your particular cup of tea, but

>

> > calling them "LA Glam Metal" is just incorrect. Speaking as someone

>

> > who owned his fair share of albums from that scene (Ratt, Motley

>

> > Crue, Quiet Riot, Lita Ford, Faster Pussycat, W.A.S.P, etc.), I can

>

> > very authoritatively say that they sounded NOTHING like those bands.

>

> >

>

> > Guns N' Roses, on the other hand, WERE crappy LA Glam Metal. Why

>

> > people treat them with undue reverence as being anything OTHER  

> than a

>

> > LA Metal band has always confounded me.

>

> >

>

> > Again, I'm not saying Jane's Addiction were God's fucking gift, but

>

> > they weren't an LA Glam metal band.

>

> >

>

> > Rant over.

>

> >

>

> > Alex in NYC

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > On Oct 9, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Alexander Smith wrote:

>

> >

>

> >>

>

> >> You guys obviously don't know jack about LA Glam metal.

>

> >>

>

> >> Alex in NYC

>

> >>

>

> >>

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> >>

>

> >> On Oct 9, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Brendan wrote:

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> >>

>

> >>> Jane's Addiction were LA Glam metal with dreads.

>

> >>>

>

> >>> TESTIFY! God I thought it was just me...

>

> >>>

>

> >>>> Yeah, Quicksand were an awesome band. I was lucky enough to get

>

> >>>> to see

>

> >>>> them when they got back together in 1998 to tour with Deftones. I

>

> >>>> also

>

> >>>> really liked Walter's band Rival Schools which lasted from around

>

> >>>> 2000 -

>

> >>>> 2003 or so. Similiar to Quicksand. His most recent band - Walking

>

> >>>> Concert

>

> >>>> (who may or may not even be active anymore, I'm not sure) are not

>

> >>>> my cup

>

> >>>> of tea. Way to indie-rock sounding.

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>> Jane's Addiction were LA Glam metal with dreads.

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>> Leigh

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>> ----- Original Message ----

>

> >>>> From: B. Oliver Sheppard

>

> >>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 9:40:40 AM

>

> >>>> Subject: Re: [kj] New October File vid, from upcoming LP - on  

> second

>

> >>>> though, don't it sound like Quicksand?

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>> On second thought, this new October File song sounds a bit like

>

> >>>> QUICKSAND. ANyone remember them? Early 90s post-hardcore band  

> in the

>

> >>>> vein of Fugazi and Seaweed, good stuff, sometimes great, for some

>

> >>>> reason

>

> >>>> never captured as much success as they should have:

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBSXFPDI-A

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>> Good stuff! I often heard it weirdly said, when unknowing folks

>

> >>>> heard

>

> >>>> Quicksand back in the day, "Hey, that sounds like Tool!" But

>

> >>>> Quicksand

>

> >>>> had zero to do with Tool; Quicksand came out of the East Coast

>

> >>>> New York

>

> >>>> Hardcore scene but sounded more like Fugazi w/ maybe Jane's

>

> >>>> Addiction

>

> >>>> for vocals. Good formula for success -- but they got none. And

>

> >>>> they may

>

> >>>> have started out before Tool, at least as early as 1990.

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>> -Oliver

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>>

>

> >>>> B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>

> >>>>> October File new song: "Another Day" (hmm..."A New Day,"  

> anyone?)

>

> >>>>>

>

> >>>>> New video:

>

> >>>>>

>

> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_uT4GR6s0g

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