[kj] OT: Jane's WAS: New October File vid
Leigh Newton
angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 10 02:14:42 EDT 2007
Ted (Alex, TB, Javier...), Just Admit It.....
....there is a seed of truth to be found in the dumb, mostly off-base (but not outright false or it wouldn't be funny) joke I made about JA/LA Glam Metal with dreads. Listen to Ocean Size and Had a Dad and own up to what you KNOW in your heart to be true but are just too embarassed to come to terms with! ;)
Leigh
PS - Remember Love On Ice? It was like on one end you've got Jane's Addiction. On the other (though not very far away), you've got Faster Pussycat. In the middle sat Love On Ice.
----- Original Message ----
From: Javier Garcia <jagargal at lycos.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 5:40:26 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Jane's WAS: New October File vid
Jane's Addiction was (and still is) one of my favorite bands, that mix of very talented musicians along with Perry Farrell's lyrics was extraordinary, the man is really talented; i know there are some very "cheesee-ones" and other pretty "smoked" lyrics, but there are also a lot of very smart-powerful moments in Jane's Addiction lyrics. Not to talk about the musical energy they projected. I even like Porno For Pyros a very lot and also got Farrell's solo album which was good to me. He spreads a very authentic kind of energy in every project he creates/involves, and because of that I understand he stands in that position of love-him or hate-him, with almost no middle range. But still you may recognize the man is a pretty good lyric writer, he aproaches to a lot of very common social issues in a very creative way.
On the other hand "Strays" was not exciting, Navarro's band called Panic Channel is lame, and Satellite Party isn't very exciting either... but there were some awesome moments in the past.
They were not very well know in Mexico -maybe they got some recognition after 'Beeing Caught Stealing' but not really too much- so that over-rated band status doesn't fit into my personal view at all. But as a J.A. old fan i'm glad they got some big credit outside. To me they were awesome.
Mis dos pesos
Javier
mexico city
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Subject : Re: [kj] OT: Jane's WAS: New October File vid
Date : Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:13:44 +1300 (NZDT)
From : "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To : "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net>
Okay, I took the bait and agreed that Jane's addiction suck, perhaps not
because they are LA glam metal (and I know all that stuff too...was a
massive WASP fan in particular), but...dunno. Something about them just
annoys me. Perhaps it's the adulation they got that overshadowed other
bands that I thought were far more deserving...
Saying something is just 'LA rock' or whatever isn't really a fair
criticism...even though I'm not really into that sound. Motley Crue etc
suck shit IMO, but not because they are LA glam metal or anything.
There's still some gems in that genre...Dream On by Aerosmith I rate as a
classic...most of the rest of their stuff seemed to be crowd pleasing pap,
Dream On to me is a hint of what they could have become if they had
ditched the circus sideshow and decided to make EPIC FUCKING MUSIC :).
Tyler's voice was legendary, until he screamed it to death.
GNR, well I'll agree to disagree, but I'll never have a fair perspective
because they 'groundbreaking' (for me) band that I was contemporary with
when I was rebelling at 13...
>
> Sorry, as I struggle to get out of needlessly argumentative mode, but
> Jane's Addiction may not have been your particular cup of tea, but
> calling them "LA Glam Metal" is just incorrect. Speaking as someone
> who owned his fair share of albums from that scene (Ratt, Motley
> Crue, Quiet Riot, Lita Ford, Faster Pussycat, W.A.S.P, etc.), I can
> very authoritatively say that they sounded NOTHING like those bands.
>
> Guns N' Roses, on the other hand, WERE crappy LA Glam Metal. Why
> people treat them with undue reverence as being anything OTHER than a
> LA Metal band has always confounded me.
>
> Again, I'm not saying Jane's Addiction were God's fucking gift, but
> they weren't an LA Glam metal band.
>
> Rant over.
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Alexander Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> You guys obviously don't know jack about LA Glam metal.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Brendan wrote:
>>
>>> Jane's Addiction were LA Glam metal with dreads.
>>>
>>> TESTIFY! God I thought it was just me...
>>>
>>>> Yeah, Quicksand were an awesome band. I was lucky enough to get
>>>> to see
>>>> them when they got back together in 1998 to tour with Deftones. I
>>>> also
>>>> really liked Walter's band Rival Schools which lasted from around
>>>> 2000 -
>>>> 2003 or so. Similiar to Quicksand. His most recent band - Walking
>>>> Concert
>>>> (who may or may not even be active anymore, I'm not sure) are not
>>>> my cup
>>>> of tea. Way to indie-rock sounding.
>>>>
>>>> Jane's Addiction were LA Glam metal with dreads.
>>>>
>>>> Leigh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: B. Oliver Sheppard
>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 9:40:40 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] New October File vid, from upcoming LP - on second
>>>> though, don't it sound like Quicksand?
>>>>
>>>> On second thought, this new October File song sounds a bit like
>>>> QUICKSAND. ANyone remember them? Early 90s post-hardcore band in the
>>>> vein of Fugazi and Seaweed, good stuff, sometimes great, for some
>>>> reason
>>>> never captured as much success as they should have:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBSXFPDI-A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good stuff! I often heard it weirdly said, when unknowing folks
>>>> heard
>>>> Quicksand back in the day, "Hey, that sounds like Tool!" But
>>>> Quicksand
>>>> had zero to do with Tool; Quicksand came out of the East Coast
>>>> New York
>>>> Hardcore scene but sounded more like Fugazi w/ maybe Jane's
>>>> Addiction
>>>> for vocals. Good formula for success -- but they got none. And
>>>> they may
>>>> have started out before Tool, at least as early as 1990.
>>>>
>>>> -Oliver
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:
>>>>> October File new song: "Another Day" (hmm..."A New Day," anyone?)
>>>>>
>>>>> New video:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_uT4GR6s0g
>>>>
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