[kj] Strange events

[Brendan]

I think something along those lines is possible, perhaps not with time
travel, but I'm open to that. As much as physicists do know how the
physical world acts and interacts, no one really knows WHY gravity works,
what most forms of energy are, hence what matter is...etc etc. I read New
Scientist mag, don't claim to understand half of it, but one thing I have
picked up is this massive level of uncertainty about...stuff. Science is
discovering new stuff all the time, but that is also broadening the scope
of what we know we don't know...

As for what's possible in the future...well looking back, practically NO
ONE predicted the surge in popularity of the internet (it's now so
ubiquitous that you don't have to capitalise the i...),. If you read
technology books pre early 90s, pre the first WWW browser, including Bill
Gates' one, it just didn't occur to most people. I read a book about the
guy who drove (not really invented) Netscape, Jim Clark I think, he and
the guy who invented the technology behind it went around for months
promoting the internet browser (www / html) to corporates and venture
capitalists and no one could really see their vision. Which is not really
their fault, I mean...it's just such a new concept.

My point being, it's pretty hard to predict what may happen with
technology in the future. Who knows how many quantum leaps similar to the
internet there are going to be...? And for all that implants are going to
cause all sorts of personal privacy and control / manipulation issues, I
can see potential positives as well. Downloading memories, skills, maps,
languages, being able to stand there pretending to listen to the mother in
law while you're playing a game of Quake in your head...while listening to
Killing Joke, and of course:

"Jiu jitsu?...I'm going to learn...Jiu Jitsu?"

-Neo


> I'm going to shoot out my brain voluntarily...

>

> (Convince me that Matrix/Terminator visions are NOT possible.

> Not talking about the farm of animals...)

>

> Lenn

>

> PS. Yes, I'm a mad [wo]maniac. And I enjoy it!

>

> 2007/11/8, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>:

>>

>> Christ on a bike, look at how our understanding of science has improved

>> in

>> the last 100 years...by about 2020 desktop computers will have the

>> processing power of the human brain (which is huge), so imagine the

>> computing power of 10 million of them all hooked up (distributed

>> processing, it's already been happening for ages).

>>

>> The 21st century is very likely going to see advances in biology that

>> will

>> rival what the 20th century did with physics (which is itself improving

>> steadily)...and all this while we put a hell of a lot more effort into

>> killing each other than science.

>>

>> I think when we've had several decades of lack of progress

>> scientifically,

>> THEN focus on our limitations, until then there just doesn't seem to be

>> any ceiling that I can see. There's going to be loads of ethical issues

>> of

>> course...if you have a look on Youtube and other sites, people are

>> already

>> starting to be implanted with RFID chips, US passports I gather have

>> RFID

>> chips embedded, some credit cards possibly...it's 'interesting times'

>> alright.

>>

>> > Not exactly speaking from a scholarly point of view here (that's an

>> > understatement if there ever was one), but....

>> >

>> > I think that moving forward or even backward through time, whether

>> > possible or completely impossible, is most likely far beyond the reach

>> of

>> > stupid little human beings. I doubt our fragile little 90%-water

>> bodies

>> > could withstand the force exerted by such flights of fancy. It would

>> > probably be the equivalent of being sucked through a black hole which,

>> so

>> > I've read, would theoretically turn the average person into human

>> > spaghetti.

>> >

>> > In the grand scheme of things, we are finite little creatures living

>> > finite lives and we're stranded on our little, tiny, infintesimal,

>> nothing

>> > of a chunk of rock and water. I doubt we're meant for much more.

>> > Hopefully, i'm wrong, cuz i've got some scores to settle with a few of

>> my

>> > grade school teachers.

>> >

>> > Leigh

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ----- Original Message ----

>> > From: Flight Bringer <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>

>> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 12:52:47 PM

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Strange events

>> >

>> >

>> > Thats is indeed a good theory......but the reality is that we cant

>> even

>> > get the trains and buses to run on time , let alone getting them to

>> arrive

>> > before they've even departed.

>> >      But the theory below is akin to saying "It is possible for Man to

>> > drink a glass of water.......so that means that its also possible to

>> > Man to drink the Pacific ocean.........with all the fish included

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:24:46 +0000

>> > From: DavidSchofield at liberata.com

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Strange events

>> >

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>> > Nobody has proved that backwards time travel is possible (yet), but

>> > relative forwards time travel is possible. Time can be observed going

>> at

>> > different rates depending on your relative velocity – the faster you

>> go,

>> > the slower time goes relative to someone who is stationary (not that

>> you

>> > are ever stationary – stood still you have a velocity of ~30km/s just

>> from

>> > the planet orbiting the sun). I think on a transatlantic flight there

>> is

>> a

>> > half second or so difference, but the nearer you get to the speed of

>> light

>> > the larger the difference.

>> >

>> > This leads to the ability to travel forward in time. If you could

>> travel

>> > fast enough, for long enough, then you could get a significant

>> difference

>> > between your time and the time on earth. So, in theory if we threw you

>> off

>> > into on a mission to the nearest star at 50% of the speed of light, it

>> > would take you ~40 years (of your time) but to us, it would take ~47

>> > years. At 99.99% of the speed of light, it would take you 4 months,

>> but

>> to

>> > us it would be 24years.

>> > .

>> > You can slow light down by passing it through a medium such as glass

>> or

>> > water.

>> >

>> > Time is theoretically linked to other forces also, sufficiently high

>> > gravity or magnetic fields could also be used to slow time relatively.

>> >

>> > You can also get Tachyons, which are faster than light particles, but

>> they

>> > are still theoretical. Perhaps CERN will find some.

>> >

>> > My head now hurts.

>> >

>> > Dave

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> > On Behalf Of Flight Bringer

>> > Sent: 07 November 2007 16:52

>> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Strange events

>> >

>> >

>> > It just isnt possible to go either back or forward in time , you can

>> dress

>> > it up as much as you like and give as many theories as you want , but

>> > there is no way that time can be reversed .

>> >     It just isnt possible for that chicken that I ate today to be once

>> > again running around a farm like it was a few weeks ago . If I went

>> > and chopped a tree down last week and then sawed it up and burnt it to

>> > ashes, there is no way that those ashes could ever reinvent themselves

>> > as wood and then materialise itself as the same

>> > tree.......................................Impossible

>> >

>> >> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:05:31 +0000

>> >> From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk

>> >> To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Strange events

>> >>

>> >> The experiments at CERN could conceivably cause some

>> >> strange effects with time/space.

>> >>

>> >> "The clock turned backwards"

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> > OK, I know I am setting myself up here for ridicule

>> >> and piss take.

>> >>

>> >> > However, despite appearances, those that have had

>> >> the misfortne to meet me,

>> >>

>> >> > will probabbly testify that I am quite rational and

>> >> sound of mind.

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >>

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