[kj] American Hardcore documentary posted on YouTube

[Leigh Newton]

Why would that vid be deleted soon?

----- Original Message ----
From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:36:28 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] American Hardcore documentary posted on YouTube


I have United Mutation's complete discography CD and they vary styles 
quite a bit over the course of it. But, yeah, some is of the growly 
voiced, almost Norwegian black metal sound, very ahead of its time 
really -- but some of it is very slow and creepy, maybe like Septic 
Death on acid. A really weird band.

I guess Positive Force was included in _Dance of Days_ because Mark 
Andresen started it up as a way to bridge the activism of hardcore into 
political stuff -- protesting at the South African embassy against 
apartheid in that era and then putting on those benefit shows for the 
free clinics in the DC area and the like. Riot Grrl I can see being 
included because Bikini Kill actually moved from Olympia Washington in 
1991 or 1992 to live with the Nation of Ulysses in DC, sort of their 
boyfriends and also a local aggressive DC punk band as you prob. know  
(at least their first LP was). And since Ian MacKaye of Minor 
Threat/Dischord/Fugazi produced the first few Bikini Kill EPs in 
Washington, DC -- or at least their 6 song 12 incher -- while he was 
producing Nation of Ulysses' _13 Point Program to Destroy America_, it 
all fits. Arguably that 1st Nation of Ulysses LP (_13 Point Program...) 
was the last great aggressive punk release on Dischord, if you don't 
count Fugazi's 1993 _In on the KIlltaker_. So, yeah, for a while Bikini 
Kill were a DC band and in their wake inspired the all-gal Slant 6 and 
some others.... 

That of course is a bit of a stretch musically and ideologically from 
the same scene that had birthed bands like Iron Cross (America's first 
Oi! band?) and Void in 1980.

I'm a huge DC scene nerd -- I like all of that scene's music it up until 
the late 90s, and even then I like some Bluetip and some isolated stuff. 
I do not like The Evens, Ian MacKaye's new post-post-hardcore project.

I'd like to get _Dance of Days_ quite a bit. And hey -- here's Ian 
MacKaye w/ Embrace singing "Dance of Days" live in 1986 -- amazingly 
someone videotaped this shit!

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW3EQu_wR1I

Probably will be deleted soon!!
*
-Oliver



LONESTYLE at aol.com wrote:

> You know I have a United Mutation ep. from 1983 without the cover. It 

> is funny for the voice sounds like one of those Black Metal bands from 

> Norway! LOL! Way before it's time. Never got into No Trend until much 

> later. Good band. It seems lots of bands were not in that so called DC 

> crowd. John Stabb said that they always thought they were treated a 

> bit unfairly in the scene. Same goes for Scream and Marginal Man. The 

> "Banned in DC" book is great! Awesome pictures! "Dance of Days" is a 

> really good book and has a ton of information in it. It gets a bit 

> boring about Positve Force and all that Riot Grrl crap. I really do 

> not know why they even put that in there?  

>  

> In the "American Hardcore" book they talk of how the Bad Brains stayed 

> at Randy "Biscut" Turner's house and how they were shocked he was gay. 

> And they did some shit to his house. Pretty fucked up. They were real 

> anti-gay people. Considering there were so many gay people back in the 

> scene of punk that were in bands.  

>  

> Speaking of Punk movies there is one coming out on the Chicago scene 

> soon. Do not know the name of it though.

>  

> Cheers,

>  

> ~ LB

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