[kj] OT: green vinyl for mr. sheppard

[Per G Olsson]

	Oh dear, I was enjoying the shade...

	Well, as long as you don't incinerate PVC, the dioxin emissions  
appear to be negliable (the main emissions of dioxins seems to be  
from municipal and medical incinerators, cement kilns and
secondary copper smelting - not from land-fills).  Dioxins are not  
NEEDED to produce PVC and (if I understand things right) is only  
formed as a by-product during PVC production from Vinyl chloride.  I  
assume that this is as with any chemical reaction; choosing  
the"right" or "wrong" conditions will maximise or minimise the yield,  
"green vinyl" should be possible to produce, it is most likely a  
question how you define the highest level of Dioxin that you can  
accept and the price you are willing to pay.

	That's as far as my ability goes.

	In my next life I'll make sure I'll get a PhD in "Dioxins and PVC,  
with a focus on musical industry", in this one I'm not sure I'd like  
to dig any further into this (I might fin the gound filled up with 7"- 
singles from the mid 80's)

	/Per G O
	(desperately trying to leave the limelight)

	


25 jul 2007 kl. 00.09 skrev folk devil:


> Yes, I know Greenpeace can't outlaw anything. As you say they can  

> try influence governments, which is what the Stockholm convention  

> is about.

> Please could you come back out of the shadows and tell us what the  

> dioxin alternative is?

> Thanks.

>

>

>> From: Per G Olsson <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com>

>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the  

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>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"  

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>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: green vinyl for mr. sheppard

>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:20:03 +0200

>>

>> Sigh:

>> (thins brings me out of my normal "lurking" mode)

>>

>> 1) Greenpeace can NOT outlaw anything, they are not a legislating   

>> body - they are, however allowed to try to influence goverments to  

>> do  so.

>> 2) I'ts not Vinyl (or PVC) that is the issue, it is Dioxins  

>> (which  previously has been used in the manufacture of PVC and  

>> sometimes can  be produced if PVC is incinerated under suboptimal  

>> conditions, albeit  in minute ammounts)

>> 3) This small document : http://www.vinylindesign.com/docs/  

>> 600/508.pdf may give you a better picture of the whole thing...

>>

>> I personally would like to see dioxin levels reduced as close to  

>> zero  as possible, but that does not mean that Vinyl records can't  

>> be  produced - dioxins are NOT essential for the PRODUCTION of PVC.

>>

>> I also like the old 12" (and 10") -format, mainly because it ment   

>> that you got "proper" artwork...  Carefully removing a vinyl disc   

>> from it's wrapping and putting it on the turntable is akin to a   

>> Japanese tea-ceremony (even if it means that you're four seconds  

>> from  hearing "Requiem 12" Mix" pouring out of the speakers).   

>> But, there  are pitfallts with the "old format".   Apart from the  

>> fact that the  vinyl IS generating much more background noise, one  

>> caviat I found is  that if the hole in the disc isn't EXACTLY in  

>> the middle, it doesn't  mater how litlle your turntable  

>> "wobbles" (if that is the right term  - English is not my mother's  

>> tounge) the error of the disc is larger!

>>

>> (back into the shadows)

>>

>> /Per G O

>>

>>

>> 24 jul 2007 kl. 22.06 skrev folk devil:

>>

>>>> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard"

>>>

>>>> Greenpeace is outlawing vinyl records for them,

>>>

>>>

>>> They are. It's called the Stockholm convention, and is being   

>>> endorsed by the UN. If dioxins are banned, so is vinyl, it's   

>>> intrinsic to vinyl production. But then again, I suppose you  

>>> will  always be able to buy an outsourced variety.

>>>

>>> http://www.greenpeace.org.nz/toxics-map/deadly.htm

>>> http://www.greenpeace.org.nz/toxics-map/zero.htm

>>>

>>> It's not a hop or a skip to see why this affects vinyl production.

>>>

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