[kj] OT: The Day the Country Died: A History of Anarcho-Punkfrom1980-1984

[pssyche23]

Thanks Neil - I'm not quite sure where that rant came from - but it does lead me to an interesting point to debate :

FEEDING OF THE 5,000 at the Shepherds Bush Empire (Saturday 24th & Sunday 25th November 2007) with Steve Ignorant and others

What opinions do folks have about this forthcoming event ? Good, bad or indifferent ? It appears that the backlash has already begun : http://www.punk77.co.uk/talkpunk/viewtopic.php?t=10765&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=057029693a460df58395ac049b6fb348 

Okay, £17.50 for a day or £30 for both nights - is that an issue ? Sounds fair enough for a large bill if that's what's gonna happen ... to be fair to whoever runs the www.punk77.co.uk website, they alternative (pro and anti) write-ups on Crass ... personally I've been to a few "nostalgia" events over the years (Rudimentary Peni in the early 90's, Sex Pistols, Penetration, Bauhaus, Kirk Brandon's various ensembles, Ari Up's The Slits, Gang Of Four, Buzzcocks, Pixies, Rollins Band playing Black Flag songs, MDC and even that Crass evening at the NFT ... and even The Damned recently playing all of Damned, Damned, Damned at the beginning of their 90 minute set) especially if I was either too young or unenlightened at the time (or missed word of mouth type gigs as I only had Sounds as a source of gig listing information) - I really don't know what to expect in November 2007 - will the gigs be hijacked by hordes of 40 year old+ skinheads on a wrecking mission (or at least punters being hassled outside in the street) ? Plenty of dogs on strings ? "Spare us 10p mate" now inflated to "spare us a £2 coin mate" ? Hopefully a mix of old and new punters, the fully committed and the mildly curious ... and me. 

I wonder what the real motivation behind the gig is ... why stick to just playing all of Feeding... ? surely it would make more sense to revisit the entire catalogue ... 
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neil Perry 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Day the Country Died: A History of Anarcho-Punkfrom1980-1984


  Er... well said!


  pssyche23 <antoni at clara.net> wrote:
    I bought it a while back (shortly after getting the Crass book) mainly for 
    stuff on the likes of Rudimentray Peni, SubHumans, Flux etc - there is also 
    a DVD out (haven't seen it though) ... you make a fair point with "I have a 
    very cool girlfriend who recently got me remastered editions of early 
    Killing Joke albums (like Revelations), and there still isn't a decent 
    retrospective that deals with that band in its proper context as one who 
    started in the late 1970s touring with Joy Division yet who are still around 
    today, slogging ahead in the trenches of modern underground rock" ... of 
    course, much depends on the opinions of the author ... it doesn't help that 
    KJ have always been difficult to categorise ... they featured in the Sounds 
    spin-off mag "Punks Not Dead" but I always considered them post-punk, then 
    there's "alternative rock" or industrial or experimental rock (circa WTF, I 
    mean how do you define Who Told You How ? Jungle Rock?) ...maybe just rock 
    ... there were a few positive references in Simon Reynolds post-punk book 
    "Rip It Up And Start Again" but then Mick Mercer's "Gothic Rock" book had a 
    fairly large section on UK Decay yet very small dismisive passages about the 
    likes of Killing Joke and Theatre Of Hate. And didn't UK Decay first use the 
    "gothic" reference as a bit of a pisstake (the cover for the Black Cat EP 
    was shot in a graveyard) before any scene developed ? So they were really 
    post-punk too. And as for the bloody NME, they have tried to rewrite 
    history - in their world the Anarcho Punk thing never happened - there were 
    never hordes of goth/punk-like punters milling about the place - cos they 
    were all listening to the Human League, Blue Rondo Al A Turk, Kid Creole and 
    ABC ... and shite like that ... just like with The Face magazine and how it 
    went so downhill after a dozen or so brilliant issues (2 major positive 
    features on KJ in number 5 and 13 then a feature on the new punks, about 
    issue 20 in 1982) - no wonder the NME go on so much about The Smiths - in a 
    greatest band ever poll, the NME put The Smiths at number 1 - that was only 
    a ploy to deflect attention away from the other total shit they used to 
    cover over the period from 1980 to 1984 ... altogether now, C U N T S !

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    Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:23 AM
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    from1980-1984


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