[kj] An Olive Branch for Olive-r

[Leigh Newton]

Nirvana weren't the death of punk. Their general public's reaction to them was. Nirvana were good and at times really great. 


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From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:02:01 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] An Olive Branch for Olive-r


It's good to hear others talk about Nirvana as being the death of punk. Now it all makes sense--mainly because they sucked so much, and really sounded like a metal band, but got labeled punk, alternative, etc. Then we had to listed to over a decade of bands--Suckgarden, Mudhoney, Pearl Scam, Smashing Pumkins, etc etc--that sounded pretty much like mainstream rock, but everyone said they were somehow carrying on the punk tradition. Finally some popular bands are returning to a bit more garage sound (Killers, Yeah Yeah Yeah, Artic Monkeys, etc) and are at least tolerable...





From:  "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
To:  Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Subject:  Re: [kj] An Olive Branch for Olive-r
Date:  Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:56:35 -0600

>Thanks for writing that. And, absolutely -- it isn't fun to be 

>bitchy, honestly. I guess I got into punk about a decade after you 

>did, and even then not into Killing Joke except for a few years ago, 

>though I had of course heard the name zillions of times. I'm getting 

>to the age where I also am beginning to feel like an "old man" (I'm 

>32) and I get cranky as well. I apologize for the nastiness.

>

>I love all the bands you mentioned, too. And obviously Killing Joke, 

>who are a band I appreciate more as I get older. I also wore Bauhaus 

>t-shirts in junior high ('89 - '90 -- I even still have a few), the 

>era I call B.N. (Before Nirvana -- because after Nirvana in '92 or 

>so -- sort of the 9/11 for punk, I think, even if Nirvana weren't a 

>punk band, no matter what t-shirts they wore -- everything changed 

>and suddenly the same jocks who wanted to beat you up after school 

>for wearing black, wanted to "mosh" and go to shows and see punk 

>bands). I dyed my hair black (still do) though I never had the balls 

>to try a devillock; I had that skater haircut where the side is 

>shaved but your bangs  hang in your face over one eye -- "the skater 

>flop," or whatever. That seems to be coming back. And I loved the 

>hell out of Vision Street Wear clothing, especially the shoes. I 

>can't help but notice these kinds of accouterments that come with 

>musical culture! (Hair, dress, etc.)  In the 80s it seemed punk and 

>skateboarding were very entangled, and that was the stew I came out 

>of.

>

>Yes, you know your musical shit, too. The back-and-forth and tit for 

>tat between us I don't get off on a bit. If it helps any, I also 

>sort of want kids to get off my lawn these days. So, in short -- my 

>apologies as well. I fuck up and make mistakes. I've been an arse, 

>and I shouldn't have been.

>

>By the way, those are cool pics and I'm jealous you were there!

>

>

>-Oliver

>

>

>

>

>Alex Smith wrote:

>>Fair enough, Oliver -- I have been being needlessly nitpicky with 

>>you lately, and I apologize. I'm under a bit of presure these days 

>>(lots of layoffs where I work), and that's manifesting itself by 

>>making me needlessly argumentative.

>>

>>I know you didn't invent the term "hair metal" (or "crust" or 

>>"punk" or "hardcore" or "thrash" or "goth" or "shoegazer" or "DC 

>>hardcore" or "NYHC" or "Britpop" or "Darkwave" or "post-Punk" etc. 

>>etc. etc. ad nauseum), but I bristle at the abuse of these terms 

>>(seek ye "This Is Pop!" from XTC's first album, WHITE MUSIC).

>>

>>Sure, this band or that band may have a lot of hair and wear it in 

>>silly ways (on their face, even!) -- but I don't know about you, I 

>>can't seem to hear their hair when I'm listening to the music.  I 

>>know the tonsorial/sartorial trappings of certain genres of music 

>>act as cultural identifiers, but they're just appetizer. The music 

>>and the messages contained therein are the real meat of the matter 

>>(or, to bludgeon this culinary analogy into the ground, "the 

>>entree").

>>

>>

>

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