[kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

[Christof hamille]

I will give Anselmo credit for bailing out Mike Williams.  And his music CAN 
be listenable.  But Jesus K-Rhist he can take a 10 second statement and turn 
it into a minute blathering bullshit.  And he has proven that can be nothing 
short of a turd-for-the-moment.  At least he has good taste in company.

Chris



>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>

>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

><gathering at misera.net>

>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

>Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:05:41 -0800 (PST)

>

>Superjoint Ritual aren't really thrash. More like grind meets southern doom 

>a la Soilent Green. Hank III is a touring bassist only (i think). I have 

>their first CD and it's pretty decent. The Alcoholik is a great song. 

>Anselmo is indeed a dork. Props to him, though, for paying off Mike 

>Williams (singer from Eyehategod) bail money. There's a whole sordid tale 

>of him being in the wrong place at the wrong time in the wake of the whole 

>Katrina disaster. He wound up in jail with something like a 20 000 bail.

>

>Leigh

>

>

>----- Original Message ----

>From: Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:11:48 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

>

>

>Superjoint Ritual?  I just finished watching American Hardcore and Phil

>Anselmo (Pantera fame) and Hank Wlliams III made an appearance.  They are

>both in the band and why they were in thi documentary is beyond me.  For

>whatever it is worth Phil Anselmo and whatever project he is on is okay.

>Nothing to shit my pants about but god damn that man is annoying as fuck

>when he goes to speak.

>

>Shut up and play

>

>Chris

>

>p.s. Superjoint Ritual is a-typical metal thrash/whatever.  IMO the only

>good ting about them is Jimmy Bower of Eyehategod fame pakying guitar.

>

>p.s.s. (or whatever it is) I do see the Misfits things riddled throughtout

>the movie.  Funny.

>

>

> >From: "GREG SLAWSON" <gregslawson at msn.com>

> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> >To: gathering at misera.net

> >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

> >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:59:25 -0500

> >

> >

> >

> >Oliver, you gotta watch the filmaker commentary (special features). They

> >said the reason the DKs and Misfits weren't mentioned was "legal

> >reasons",and they seemed to have no bone w/either band. In fact, they

> >mentioned all the stuff w/Misfits logos in the background during the

> >interviews. Again, the Misfits to me always sounded more classic punk. 

>They

> >also probably shoulda mentioned Social Distortion, maybe as a band who

> >started in the scene and later "made it". Also, NOFX, who started out

> >around 1984 as a thrash/hardcore band.

> >

> >P.S. Anyone heard the band Superjoint Revival (I think)--w/Hank Williams

> >III? I wonder how they sound.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >From:  "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

> >Reply-To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> >To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> ><gathering at misera.net>

> >Subject:  Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

> >Date:  Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:20:25 -0600

> > >

> > >

> > >Actually, a member of The Replacements was interviewed in the American

> > >Hardcore documentary (briefly) saying that in effect he felt the

> > >Replacements' stuff approached hardcore, but wasn't quite a part of the

> > >hardcore scene the movie talks about.

> > >

> > >I think Jello's non-appearance is because of what someone (Alex?) said

> > >-- his reluctance to be involved with stuff like this nowadays,

> >esp.

> > >since the, uh, "Dead Kennedys" have re-formed without him -- yes, with 

>a

> > >new singer, like the Newfits -- and it might've meant

> > >commiserating/dealing with, or reminiscing about, his old DK "buddies,"

> > >from whom he's bitterly estranged now. Bobby Steele, who was 

>technically

> > >briefly a member of the '77-'83 Misfits lineup is also interviewed in

> > >_American Hardcore_ several times, but he's credited not as a Misfit 

>but

> > >as a member of of his own band, NY's Undead, the band he's better known

> > >for anyway. Steele doesn't discuss the Misfits at all. I have heard a

> > >live recording of The Misfits from 1981 or so where Danzig throws a

> > >tantrum on stage, into the mic, and goes on about how their 

>ex-guitarist

> > >Bobby Steele sucks and so does his new band, The Undead.

> > >

> > >The major coup for the documentary was getting

> >Ian MacKaye to

> > >participate at all; he is also notoriously pee-shy about stuff like 

>this

> > >-- esp. considering this is a Sony Pictures Classics release. Ian would

> > >not let Rhino, for example, use Minor Threat tracks for their "Faster &

> > >Louder" hc punk anthology from the early 90s, seen by many as a

> > >definitive (though not exhaustive) document for the '80 - '84 US HC 

>era.

> > >That was a major blow to Rhino's compilation, which wanted to be the

> > >"Nuggets" of US hardcore, and it even had GG Allin on it -- who is also

> > >not mentioned in American Hardcore, either, now that I think about it.

> > >

> > >Still, the Misfits were in the trenches playing right along with the

> > >Necros, Poison Idea, & Negative Approach in the early 80s -- and all

> > >those were bands covered in this documentary. The documentary isn't

> > >perfect but

> >I'll admit it also isn't bad. But not covering the Dead

> > >Kennedys and/or the Misfits in barely any form makes it way less

> > >complete than it'd ideally be. I mean, the DK's were hugely responsible

> > >for forging a definite, striking, political direction for hardcore in

> > >those days, and they had the obscenity trials in '86, etc.

> > >

> > >-Oliver

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >GREG SLAWSON wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I think American Hardocre was trying to stick w/bands that were 

>truly

> > > > undergound--Maybe the DKs were too big, and Misfits were more like

> > > > old-school British punk...Notice that Husker Du, Meat Puppets, and

> > > > Replacements were also not featured...

> > > >

> > >

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