[kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

[Alex Smith]

Actually, that's more of a TRA - GE - DY if anything. It's a great movie though.

Anyone see the third one? DECLINE III concentrated on the dying vestiges of the Punk community who live on the street and panhandle. Not as funny as the second (by a loooooooooooooong shot), nor as seismic and seminal as the first, but well worth checking out (be prepared to be depressed).

DECLINE II? What were they rebelling against? Seems like the gents in those bands and that scene were more interested in a sort've Utopian hedonistic lifestyle (as typified by bands like Kiss and Van Halen) and aspiring to be rock stars, as opposed to making music simply because they had something to say (other than, y'know, "party!"), like the bands in the first film (although the Circle Jerks have always claimed to be a "party band," despite the fact that their lyrics usually tended to be a bit more incissive, introspective and rife with depressive realism).

AMERICAN HARDCORE is flawed by those glaring omissions yes, but Biafra didn't want to cooperate. Not sure about the Misfits, but they're not renowned for being especially permissive (well, Glenn ain't, at least).

The first three Danzig albums, incidentally, are brilliant -- no matter how you label them (because, ultimately, it's the MUSIC that matters, not the categories you're assigning to them). And by decrying Danzig for naming his band after himself, do you extend that same judgemental derision toward the Rollins Band then? If Glenn is writing everything, why shouldn't he name the band after himself? 

Also, Danzig's stuff (even the less inspired stuff post-4) is *STILL* a quadrillion light years better than the pathetic incarnations of the Misfits that Jerry Only attempts to foist on a gullible public today (yes, even the incarnation with Dez Cadena and Marky Ramone). He needs to hang it up.

Alex in NYC





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>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>

>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 10:58 AM

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>If you haven't seen Decline part II then you are missing out on what can only be described as the very definition of CO-ME-DY. The Chris Holmes (of W.A.S.P.) floating around in his pool, piss-drunk, while his MOM looks on are pure gold. 

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>Leigh

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>----- Original Message ----

>From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:32:02 AM

>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

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>

>I

>got into punk in '88 or '89, and by this time, yeah, a lot of the punk 

>bands had made the leap to hair metal or at least to some type of metal 

>from the punk roots (roots they'd proudly brandish again any years later 

>when they realized that was why folks liked them after all).

>

>Have you compared SSD (SS Decontrol) circa 1982 to their last hair metal 

>album? Good lord! Or, of course, Danzig going from '77-era East Coast 

>punk in The Misfits, to being basically a hair metal dude by 1988, 

>naming his band after his own (fake) last name in the fashion of metal 

>bands naming themselves after themselves, like Van Halen, Winger, and 

>others?

>

>On the _American Hardcore_ documentary -- not a perfect documentary by 

>any means (where are the Dead Kennedys and Misfits in it?? HUGE gap in 

>history of 80s punk by not including them) -- it even shows early Boston 

>HC band DYS on stage announcing publicly, circa 1985, "We used to be a 

>hardcore punk rock band, but now we're just a hard rock 'n roll 

>band...." Then it showed DYS playeing what sounded like some crappy 

>mid-tempo RATT-inspired rock music with the singer using that bad 

>falsetto that was so omnipresent in the 80s. And wasn't _Decline of 

>Western Civilization 2_ a documentary about hair metal bands? I've never 

>seen it, but I always wondered -- what were the hair guys rebelling 

>against? Not enough Aquanet available in L.A. at the time, or what?

>

>Back on topic to Killing Joke, though, I always saw their, uh, 

>"crossover" into pure new wave in the late 80s to be another version of 

>this change a lot of bands went through, in a sense. I just cannot 

>listen to anything KJ made after Nighttime until Extremities came along.

>

>-Oliver

>

>

>

>gingoblin at easynet.co.uk wrote:

>> The Blood were a great band! Still play them a lot.

>>

>> Most of the early-80's punk bands seemed to "progress" onto something else 

>> fairly rapidly.  Anti Nowhere League, Adicts, Angelic Upstarts, Abrasive 

>> Wheels... and that's only the ones beginning with A!    There was MUCH 

>> disappointment to be had for a young punk rocker in those days!   I'd 

>> actually quite like to hear some of the later material again just to see 

>> what I make of it now, but on the whole, it was fucking awful at the time!

>>

>> Max Splodge never sold out though!!

>>

>>

>> Dave

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> At 12:07 23/02/2007 +0000, you wrote:

>>

>>   

>>>> Speaking of bands changing sound, the Cockney Rejects going from Oi/punk to

>>>> AC/DC sorta stuff has to be one of the biggest and most hilarious

>>>> "progressions" ever!

>>>>       

>>> A few punk bands went that way didn't they . .

>>>

>>> Anyone remember The Blood?

>>>

>>>     

>>

>>   

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