[kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

[Mike Porthouse]

How about Blitz going from the full on punk of Voice of a Generation to the 
synth pop of Second Empire Justice. A brave move but as I remember it didn't 
go down too well with the fans.

R.I.P Nidge


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leigh Newton" <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA



>I think Slayer going from the breakneck, unrelenting thrash metal of Reign 

>in Blood to the slowed down, creepy melodicism of South of Heaven was a 

>pretty gutsy about-face. Probably the only ballsy move they've ever made, 

>artistically speaking. The backlash was so bad that, since then, they've 

>pretty much been giving the fans exactly what they want. Too bad cuz i 

>think South of Heaven is incredible. Who would think that thrashmetalheads 

>in 1988 would be so single-minded? Hmm...

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com>

> To: vassifer at earthlink.net

> Cc: gathering at misera.net

> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:19:09 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

>

>

> I have to agree with you, Outside the Gate was a drastic change.

> Does anyone know of any similar band having such a drastic change or will

> this go down as a record breaking event.

>

> Pete

>

>

>>From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>Reply-To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all things

>>Killing Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>><gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>><gathering at misera.net>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

>>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:52 -0500 (EST)

>>

>>

>>I don't remember being as crushed by hearing "Grimly Fiendish" by the

>>Damned as I was when I first heard "Adorations" by the `Joke, but then --  

>>I

>>was always *way* more into the `Joke. Still not a fan of that single. When

>>the album came out, there were at least a few tracks with oomph to them

>>(notably "Chessboards" and "Rubicon") and its aged fairly well, I'd say,

>>but it's never been one of my favorites.

>>

>>That all said, *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* can compare to the jaw-dropping

>>disbelief and abject disapointment I felt when I first heard "America" (to

>>say nothing of the rest of the album that spawned it).

>>

>>Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>> >From: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk

>> >Sent: Feb 22, 2007 4:36 PM

>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>><gathering at misera.net>

>> >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

>> >

>> >Indeed, and an era for both bands that I now look back on and think 

>> >"hmm,

>> >not the best really, no matter how hard I tried to convince myself

>> >otherwise at the time"!  Actually, wasn't keen on 1000 Suns when it came

>> >out either (and no, let's not start that one again!)

>> >

>> >

>> >At 20:39 22/02/2007 +0000, you wrote:

>> >>This was a new chapter for the damned, similar to the Killing Joke era

>>of

>> >>1000 Suns.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> >From: "Jerry Butson" <jerry at fleamusic.com>

>> >> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> >> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> ><gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: in Defense of PHANTASMAGORIA by the Damned

>> >> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:50:52 +0000

>> >> >

>> >> >My vote for one of the Damned's finest vinyl moments goes to he 12"

>>version

>> >> >of Alone Again Or in its breakneck speed, edited

>> >> >on-the-fly-with-a-pair-of-rusty-scissors version...fantastic!

>> >> >

>> >> >On 22/02/07, gingoblin at easynet.co.uk <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk> wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Yeah, I do kinda enjoy Phantasmagoria the very few times I play it

>>these

>> >> >>days, but after all these years I've realised for it to REALLY be 

>> >> >>the

>> >> >>Damned, it needs Vanian/Scabies/Sensible. They've had their moments

>>with

>> >> >>the different line-ups, but nothing even comes close to the amazing

>>stuff

>> >> >>of the earlier years.   I remember hearing a comp CD in some pub...

>>it was

>> >> >>absolute genius right up to Grimly Fiendish coming on, when I wished

>>it

>> >> >>would just end. Kinda summed it up for me.

>> >> >>As for their "image"... as Scabies said, Vanian could dress as a

>>binman

>> >> >>and

>> >> >>still look good, while he himself could put on the finest clothes 

>> >> >>and

>> >> >>still

>> >> >>be a mess!!

>> >> >>Must admit, can't stand Eloise... though that's possibly from it

>>being the

>> >> >>"hit" and having heard it way too often over the years. The current

>> >> >>line-up

>> >> >>do the best version so far, but could still do without it!

>> >> >>Oh, and the Five Foot One thing... I came out and directly asked 

>> >> >>them

>> >> >>around that time, and they didn't own up!  I recall asking Rat if

>>covering

>> >> >>Five Foot One had anything to do with Vanian's height (to which he

>>replied

>> >> >>"oh, I wouldn't say that to him"!!). Ah, my ever-tactful youth!

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Dave in Edinburgh

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>At 09:15 21/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >Just a few words in defense of PHANTASMAGORIA. I was shocked as

>>everyone

>> >> >> >else at said album's comparatively gloppy overproduction. Despite

>>the

>> >> >> >funereal trappings, it owed more to the likes of Meat Loaf and

>>Bonnie

>> >> >> >Tyler than it did to any Goth making the `rounds at the time (by

>> >> >> >comparison, the Sisters of Mercy sound like the Ramones). That

>>said,

>> >> >>there

>> >> >> >were still some fine moments of pure pop on it (notably "Street of

>> >> >>Dreams"

>> >> >> >and "Grimly Fiendish", although "Is It A Dream?" is just crap

>>across the

>> >> >> >board). I'm also a big fan of the non-album single "Eloise,"

>>another

>> >> >> >hoarily windswept and overproduced gem. Was in Punk? Not

>>especially, but

>> >> >> >who cares?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >As a college freshman in 1985 out in the bowels of Ohio, I 

>> >> >> >remember

>> >> >> >packing into a crowded station wagon to drive across scary,

>> >> >>backwoods-ass

>> >> >> >Midwestern pigfuck country to Kentucky to catch the Damned on the

>> >> >> >PHANTASMAGORIA tour (which, for some reason, bypassed the nearest

>>city

>> >> >>to

>> >> >> >our school, Columbus). As over-the-top as their image and 

>> >> >> >aesthetic

>>had

>> >> >> >become (Hammer horror films, candelabras, graveyard shtick), they

>>were

>> >> >>as

>> >> >> >full-on live as can be imagined (and yes -- quite definably PUNK 

>> >> >> >in

>> >> >>every

>> >> >> >semblance of the term).

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I've grown to quite like the PHANTASMAGORIA album as a result.

>>There are

>> >> >> >some great moments on ANYTHING as well (notably their cover of

>>"Alone

>> >> >> >Again Or" and the title track, which is essentialy a

>>wafer-thin-re-write

>> >> >> >of Iggy Pops "Five Foot One"). I saw them again with Brian James 

>> >> >> >et

>>al.

>> >> >>on

>> >> >> >the tour that resulted in the FINAL DAMNATION tour (`90 or so?) at

>>the

>> >> >>New

>> >> >> >Ritz, and they were endearingly shambollic. The last time I saw

>>them was

>> >> >> >in the mid-90's at since-shuttered Coney Island High. I don't

>>believe

>> >> >>Rat

>> >> >> >was in attendance, but Dave was there in all his ridiculous glory.

>>It

>> >> >>was

>> >> >> >fun to see them, but it wasn't really "the Damned" as I'd grown to

>>love.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I haven't picked up a new album/single of theirs since I can't

>>remember

>> >> >> >when, honestly. But I listened to a clutch of Damned tracks on my

>>walk

>> >> >>to

>> >> >> >work this morning, and the mere fact that their catalog stretches

>>from

>> >> >>the

>> >> >> >stripped-down velocity of "Fish" and "Neat Neat Neat" through to

>>the

>> >> >> >ersatz psychedelia of the Naz Nomad stuff and onto their

>>vanglorious

>> >> >> >opuses (opi?) like the afore-mentioned "Eloise" is a testament to

>>their

>> >> >> >versatility.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Bless'em.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Alex in NYC

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >-----Original Message-----

>> >> >> > >From: Mike Porthouse <Mike at rteltd.com>

>> >> >> > >Sent: Feb 21, 2007 4:02 AM

>> >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >Had the pleasure of seeing the current Damned line-up a couple 

>> >> >> > >of

>> >> >>times

>> >> >> > last

>> >> >> > >year (Vanian, Sensible, Stu, Pinch and Monty) and I have to say

>> >> >>they're

>> >> >>in

>> >> >> > >good form. Best I've seen them since the re-union shows in about

>>88 or

>> >> >>89.

>> >> >> > >Vanian and Sensible have a massive stage presence and they're 

>> >> >> > >now

>> >> >>playing

>> >> >> > >with good musicians. Always a good night out. Some good new 

>> >> >> > >songs

>>and

>> >> >>a

>> >> >> > back

>> >> >> > >catalogue of classics. The only thing for me, which keeps them

>>from

>> >> >>being

>> >> >> > >right up there with the best is their lyrics, which have never

>>been

>> >> >> > anything

>> >> >> > >to get excited about.

>> >> >> > >BTW the recent MGE DVD release is very good for any Damned fans

>>who

>> >> >>don't

>> >> >> > >already own it.

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >Mike Porthouse

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >----- Original Message -----

>> >> >> > >From: <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>

>> >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >> > ><gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:32 PM

>> >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > >> This was last July, and yes it WAS interesting to say the

>> >> >>least!  Fucking

>> >> >> > >> great, even if Casey Chaos's voice was shot.

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> They came VERY close to doing it with Dave and Cap, but that's

>> >> >>another

>> >> >> > >> story.  It is a shame though... 30 years comes round once.

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> There was talk of doing a few more dates, but nothing more 

>> >> >> > >> than

>> >> >>that.

>> >> >>You

>> >> >> > >> never know though!

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> A couple of pics from the gig :

>> >> >> > >>

>> >>

>> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20068.jpg

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >>

>> >>

>> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20067.jpg

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> Dave

>> >> >> > >>

>> >> >> > >> At 13:34 20/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

>> >> >> > >>>So the Brian James Gang thing made me curious again.  Don't 

>> >> >> > >>>own

>>the

>> >> >> > >>>release

>> >> >> > >>>but it sounds promising even the simplistic, idiotic lyrics.

>>Vocals

>> >> >>are

>> >> >> > >>>fine.  So I stumble across their (always dreaded) myspace 

>> >> >> > >>>page:

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >>

>> >>http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friend

>> >> >> > id=106508478

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>and what do I see...

>> >> >> > >>>DAMNED 30th ANNIVERSARY LINE-UP:

>> >> >> > >>>Brian James-Guitar,

>> >> >> > >>>Rat Scabies-Drums

>> >> >> > >>>Mani-Bass

>> >> >> > >>>Casey Chaos-Voice

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>This could be interesting.  Shame they couldn't do it with

>>Captain

>> >> >>and Rat

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>Anyone have anymore details???  IS there a snowballs chance in

>>hell

>> >> >>thisis

>> >> >> > >>>coming to the US?  I would actually go see this

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>Chris

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>>

>> >> >> > >>> >From: "TB" <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>

>> >> >> > >>> >Reply-To: TB <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>,"A list about all

>>things

>> >> >> > >>> >Killing

>> >> >> > >>> >Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >> > >>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> >> >> > >>> ><gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >> > >>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> >> >> > >>> >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:10:33 -0800

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> >"Rob's Arse" wrote:

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> > >

>> >> >> > >>> > > Grave disorder really was a return to form but Not of 

>> >> >> > >>> > > this

>> >> >>Earth

>> >> >>was

>> >> >> > >>> > > terrible!

>> >> >> > >>> > >

>> >> >> > >>> > > I remember seeing them at the time with Scabies on drums,

>> >> >>Vanian

>> >> >>on

>> >> >> > >>> > > Vocals, Moose from NMA on bass with Kris Dollimore (Mr

>>Session

>> >> >> > >>> > > guitar)

>> >> >> > >>> >and

>> >> >> > >>> > > Vanian's Grandad (wearing a LEATHER WASTECOAT).

>> >> >> > >>> > > I left that gig totally heartbroken. They were shitter

>>than

>> >> >>shit.

>> >> >> > >>> > >

>> >> >> > >>> > > As an aside, we played wit teh Brian James Gang the other

>>week

>> >> >>and I

>> >> >> > >>> >have

>> >> >> > >>> > > to say that Brian James is a lovely bloke. Shame there

>>were

>> >> >>only

>> >> >>25

>> >> >> > >>> >people

>> >> >> > >>> > > at the gig!

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> >Did Brian have Dave Tregunna with him on bass? Any Lords

>>tunes

>> >> >>played?

>> >> >> > >>> >More

>> >> >> > >>> >details, man!

>> >> >> > >>> >

>> >> >> > >>> >T.B.

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