[kj] OT : post-punk vids link

[Alexander Smith]

Well, if we *really* want to get technical, I don't think we could  
really call the Simple Minds "New Romantics," as they had nothing to  
do with the ruffled-sleeve gaggle of preening peacocks who hung out at  
the Blitz and whatnot (i.e. Duran, Spandau, etc.). Simple Minds  
started off as a Punk band called Johnny & the Self-Abusers and went  
from there. I suppose that might qualify them as "post-punk" (as, on a  
purely literal level, they happened *post* Punk Rock). By the same  
token, I think the term "post-punk" is an apt one to describe U2 with  
(listen to BOY and tell me they don't fit in with the predominant  
sound commonly associated with "post-punk"). That both of those bands  
morphed into different beasts entirely (not unlike, say, Killing Joke)  
is another matter. And I'm still waiting to hear why Danielle Dax and  
Strawberry Switchblade don't qualify as "post-punk". What are they,  
then? "Goths"? Goth-Pop? Wouldn't both of those sub-genres fall under  
the "post-punk" umbrella anyway? As far as I'm concerned, all Goth is  
Post-Punk, yet not all Post-Punk is Goth.

Bigger question: who cares? I get hung up when bands are wrongly  
labelled  (i.e. calling Redd Kross a hair metal band or calling  
Killing Joke a Goth band), but at the end of the day -- especially in  
2007 when most of these labels are meaningless and long dead -- I'd  
rather judge a band based on their individual merits than on their  
party loyalty to whatever label or sub-genre they've been assigned.

But to call Killing Joke a goth band is to do them an unduly limiting  
and belittling disservice.

Alex in NYC



On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:26 AM, ade wrote:


> For once I agree with you, but I guess labels are a way of getting a  

> concept across. It's more to do with the mechanism of communication  

> than putting bands in a box.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ]On Behalf Of Alexander Smith

> Sent: 14 December 2007 14:20

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT : post-punk vids link

>

>

> Labels labels labels.....

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:48 AM, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>

>>

>> Aren't Simple Minds "New Romantic" (that term was used in the US a  

>> bit)? OMD were early one electro-rock or whatever, but sounded more  

>> and more like the NR's as time went on...

>> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:51:06 +1300

>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT : post-punk vids link

>>

>> That raises the question of what exactly is post-punk, I had a  

>> vague idea but not so sure now. For example OMD and Simple Minds? I  

>> would have called OMD more pop,       Simple Minds pop / rock. The  

>> lead singer out of Simple’s Minds’ voice always reminded me of Bono  

>> but I would prefer to listen to Simple Minds.

>>

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>> ] On Behalf Of countessghoulita at aol.com

>> Sent: Friday, 14 December 2007 8:15 p.m.

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT : post-punk vids link

>>

>> This website is pretty good (although I would not consider Danielle  

>> Dax or Strawberry Switchblade post-punk). I found that out some  

>> months ago, when I added post-punk.com on myspace. The list of  

>> videos keeps growing :).

>>

>> Thank you for posting it :)

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Jason <jason8 at btinternet.com>

>> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' <gathering at misera.net 

>> >

>> Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:18 am

>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT : post-punk vids link

>> Great links, cheers..

>>

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>> ] On Behalf Of folk devil

>> Sent: 13 December 2007 02:29

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT : post-punk vids link

>>

>> Excellent..nice one :)

>> From: antoni at clara.net

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:49:34 +0000

>> Subject: [kj] OT : post-punk vids link

>> * http://www.post-punk.com/ppvideos.html *

>>

>> Just picked up on the above link courtesy of the Artery bulletin  

>> board on Myspace ... definitely worth sharing ... Regards, Antoni

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