[kj] OT: Boyd Rice / NON & Luftwaffe coming to London Oct. 31

[B. Oliver Sheppard]

Yeah, I totally understand. There is a lot of "sketchy" imagery in the 
industrial scene, especially the martial industrial stuff. Sometimes you 
wonder what the fascination *really* is all about.

But it's weird because Simon Reynolds' _Rip It Up & Start Again_ said 
even Killing Joke "veered unnervingly close to that dodgy area somewhere 
between Nietzschean and Nazi"! And there's that 1st Joy Division EP......


-Oliver






countessghoulita at aol.com wrote:

> I know you are no fascist. I wanted to add some info on Boyd Rice. 

> Some of the NON old stuff is really great, if you ask me. I have a lot 

> of old Death in June records myself. In the last years, it is pretty 

> appalling to see a Laibach, Death In June (with NON and, of course, 

> Der Blutharsch) and being confronted with a nazi audience. That is all 

> I wanted to say. I do like old-school industrial, liked Death in 

> June/Current 93/Sol Invictus but I do not think I would go to their 

> gigs anymore. I am happy with my memories of their gigs back in the 

> late 80's/90's, as nazi-oriented folks would not prevail in the 

> audience. My family was already proven by WWII enough for me not to 

> remember the atrocities they went through. I cannot see nazi outfits 

> or signs on the stage, that is all.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 1:13 pm

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boyd Rice / NON & Luftwaffe coming to London Oct. 31

>

> Luftwaffe play a Death in June-y type of neo-folk that I have heard 

> and am not really a fan of. Luftwaffe played in Dallas, TX, not too 

> long ago, oddly enough. Guys in German army replica uniforms strumming 

> acoustic guitars has always seemed kind of funny to me. 

>  

> I posted the gig info because there are a lot of crossover type fans 

> between KJ's music and the sort of stuff that goes on in that 

> martial/neo-folk/whatever scene. I do like some music in that scene, 

> but I think I've proven on the list I'm as lefty as they come (much to 

> Mr. Black's delight) and there's plenty of non-fascist or anti-fascist 

> music in the milieu, or bands who use the imagery ironically, a la 

> Killing Joke's "Nazis saluting the pope" poster. 

>  

> Boyd Rice is pretty bizarre. He's appeared on specials about neo-Nazis 

> and Satanism. He was also in RE/Search's _Pranks_ video -- and so 

> there is the theory he's basically a cultural prankster, playing with 

> provocative imagery for the fuck of it, simply to stir people up, not 

> really because he's a militant follower of anything in particular. The 

> now-withdrawn book Battlenoise!, about the history of martial 

> industrial music, chided Rice for not being serious enough in his 

> music, in fact. The guy has never really seemed threatening to me and 

> if I saw he was playing locally I'd probably go see him. For all his 

> faults, NON was kind of a pioneering thing, like Throbbing Gristle. 

>  

> -Oliver 

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