[kj] Killing joke and Communism

Brendan bq at soundgardener.co.nz
Thu Aug 23 17:42:07 EDT 2007


As I said, the Manifesto will address all of these concerns...

I keep the Manifesto as a 'virtual' document (in my head) so that:

a) it's can't be shoved sideways up my arse by angry hippies or corporate
whores, and:

b) taking a lead from the Christians / Mormons, if only I have a copy of
it, I can quote it at whim as gospel and it can't be refuted!

=)


> <html><div style='background-color:'><P>If you listen to Total Invasion,

> and the whole thrust of the KJ 2003 album's response to 'The War', sounds

> like good old 'blind punk against the obviously bad to our sort'. ("Fuck

> art, lets dance", sort of thing.)<BR><BR>We take the politics any way we

> want to express the basic messages.&nbsp; The West are killing people for

> oil.&nbsp; They dont have to die.&nbsp; They are killing their own people

> to do it, via warfare.&nbsp; Then they impose their own culture and

> agenda.&nbsp; Obvious I know, but as far as Communism goes, maybe you

> could use any political system to express ones&nbsp;feelings (TORIES

> AGAINST THE MACHINE?)&nbsp; They'd all turn their words in the direction

> of whatever people identified as 'bad', in order to get the vote.</P>What

> was it he sang in Implant?&nbsp; "SHOVE YOUR ID CARD UP YOUR

> ARSE..."&nbsp; Full Manifesto!<BR><BR><BR>

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> From: <I>"ade" &lt;ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk&gt;</I><BR>Reply-To: <I>"A

> list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)"&lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;</I><BR>To: <I>"A list about all things

> Killing Joke (the band!)" &lt;gathering at misera.net&gt;</I><BR>Subject:

> <I>Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism</I><BR>Date: <I>Wed, 22 Aug 2007

> 23:20:22 +0100</I><BR>&gt;Mate, *any* system you can think of is

> imperfect.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;-----Original Message-----<BR>&gt;From:

> gathering-bounces at misera.net<BR>&gt;[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

> Behalf Of Brendan<BR>&gt;Sent: 22 August 2007 23:15<BR>&gt;To: A list

> about all things Killing Joke (the band!)<BR>&gt;Subject: Re: [kj] Killing

> joke and Communism<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;You need to realise that

> 'economic growth' of x% / year is<BR>&gt;unsustainable...a percentage

> growth / year equation, similar to<BR>&gt;compounding interest, results in

> exponential growth. All the economies<BR>&gt;(and corporations) are

> constantly comparing their progress in terms of<BR>&gt;profit growth,

> market share growth, asset growth etc, against each other.<BR>&gt;It's a

> race.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;However with finite resources, exponential growth

> eventually hits the<BR>&gt;wall...even if you can automate everything to

> death so that machines are<BR>&gt;perpetually exponentially more

> productive than humans...your natural<BR>&gt;resources run out, and / or

> waste builds up to the point where it

> stymies<BR>&gt;production.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;It's one of the many problems

> with capitalism. Having said that, I agree<BR>&gt;that I'd prefer to be

> living in a demorcatic capitalist society than a<BR>&gt;repressive regime,

> just pointing out that it's an imperfect system...as<BR>&gt;Ade and Olly

> and some others have pointed out, they all are. (Robert

> Anton<BR>&gt;Wilson's

> core message wrapped up right there).<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Having said that, I'm

> still working on my Manifesto, which aims to address<BR>&gt;all of the

> above ;P<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; "(with all goods distributed according to

> need, not status)"<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Well, we all dont *need* much

> to survive , no one *needs* expensive cars<BR>&gt; &gt; or Jewellery or

> large houses or anything of that nature , all we "need"<BR>&gt; &gt; is

> food , shelter and water . You dont realise Greg that people

> consuming<BR>&gt; &gt; things keeps others in employment . If we only

> consumed what we needed,<BR>&gt; &gt; then that would take away many

> peoples employment .<BR>&gt; &gt; And who decides who needs what? That

> Human survival instinct makes us<BR>&gt; &gt; naturally Capitalist . In

> Communist Countries , there is only minimal<BR>&gt; &gt; need for consumer

> goods , so there is a lot of people without

> jobs to<BR>&gt; &gt; do, so they have 20 people "employed" to do a one man

> job .<BR>&gt; &gt; How about giving goods to people who contribute the

> most to society? How<BR>&gt; &gt; about giving people who make the most

> contribution a piece of paper<BR>&gt; &gt; entitling them to rewards for

> there hard work? How about calling this<BR>&gt; &gt; piece of paper:

> Money? *<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; *Is that the correct punctuation

> ?<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;

> &gt; ========================================<BR>&gt; &gt; Message

> Received: Aug 22 2007, 04:36 AM<BR>&gt; &gt; From: "GREG SLAWSON"<BR>&gt;

> &gt; To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"<BR>&gt; &gt;

> Cc:<BR>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism<BR>&gt;

> &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; I respectfully disagree. Socialism (the big S one?) is

> what existed in the<BR>&gt; &gt; USSR

> and China and is hanging on in Cuba. They all maintained

> heirarchical<BR>&gt; &gt; leadership, wage slavery and wage differences,

> and economic/political<BR>&gt; &gt; classes. And in China and Russia they

> led to the current grotesque forms<BR>&gt; &gt; of capitalism (rampant

> unemployment, crime, drugs, alienation, social<BR>&gt; &gt; unrest,

> poverty). The other (small s?) or Euro-socialism certainly has<BR>&gt;

> &gt; advantages (as displayed in the new Micheal Moore film) but maintains

> all<BR>&gt; &gt; the bad parts of capitalism (unemployment,

> alienation,<BR>&gt; &gt; crime, economic cylcles, top-down leadership,

> etc). I prefer communism<BR>&gt; &gt; with a big C--summed up in a slogan

> I made up:<BR>&gt; &gt; No wages (with all goods distributed according to

> need, not status),<BR>&gt; &gt; No stages (as in stages from national

> liberation to socialism to<BR>&gt; &gt; communism, which has

> failed in countless countries),<BR>&gt; &gt; No borders (one world, one

> party, one flag),<BR>&gt; &gt; No orders (all decisions made

> collectively).<BR>&gt; &gt; A lot of this stuff can be found at

> www.plp.org...<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; From:

> folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; To: gathering at misera.net<BR>&gt;

> &gt;&gt; Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:47:54 -0700<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Subject:

> Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;) (0.1 Kb)

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