[kj] That troll guy's on-list rehashing of the Iraq war stuff

[B. Oliver Sheppard]

Last word on reasons for US invasion of Iraq:

Slavoj Zizek gave a great story about what the logic behind the invasion 
- as presented to the US public by actual policymakers (and not armchair 
cyber-warriors like Mr. Black, or other 
aggro-but-can't-be-bothered-to-fight-myself pro-war bloggers):


"In order the render the strange logic of dreams, Freud cited the old 
joke about the borrowed kettle: 1) I never borrowed a kettle from you, 
2) I returned the kettle to yu intact, 3) the kettle was already broken 
when I got it from you. Such an enumeration of inconsistent arguments, 
of course, confirms exactly what it endeavours to deny -- that I 
returned a broken kettle to you. That same inconsistency [Zizek argues] 
characterized the justification of the attack on Iraq, whereby a link to 
Saddam's regime and al-Qaeda was transformed into the threat posed by 
the regime to the region, which was then further twisted into the menace 
hanging over everyone (but the US and Britain above all) of WMDs. When 
no significant weapons were actually found, we were treated to the same 
bizarre logic: OK, the two labs we found don't really prove anything, 
but even if there were no WMDs in Iraq, we can still come up with other 
good reasons to have toppled Saddam..."


-from Slavoj Zizek's Iraq: The Broken Kettle


Good stuff!

-Oliver






Mister Black wrote:

>

> Yes , its besides the point whether USA supported Iraq during the 

> Iran/Iraq war or not . The bottom line is that Saddam waged war 

> against Iran . The U.S. probably supported Iraq because of the 

> revolution going on in Iran at the time. Iraq was seen as the lesser 

> evil and the lesser threatening.

>

>   Oliver: You are correct , I didn keep up with the lead up to the war 

> , keep up with the happenings in America , for the simple reason is 

> that I'm from the UK and have no interest with what happens in the 

> U.S.and do not watch American TV.

>

> I know that many Americans are small minded and believe that all eyes 

> are on them and that everyone follows American Politics , but if you 

> leave the shores of America, you will be surprised to find out that 

> many people have no interest at all in what happens in America .

>

>   Can you not understand that I wasnt here and therefore didnt know 

> that the KJ link had been previously posted .

>

>

>

>

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>     Message Received: Aug 14 2007, 10:51 PM

>     From: "Brendan"

>     To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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>

>     To add to that...the 'States supported Saddam's regime in the war

>     vs Iran,

>     during and after his use of chemical weapons...hardly a very

>     ethical thing

>     to do is it, also hardly a valid reason to turn against the guy. Also

>     makes it hard to pretend you have the moral high-ground...unless

>     of course

>     you have batallions of PR lairs and media whores at your

>     disposal...and

>     millions of credulous morons lapping it up.

>

>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran-Iraq_war

>

>     "You can stand, on your head, and SPOUT RHETORIC, but the only

>     problem I

>     see, is FORENSIC"

>

>     -

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