[kj] oliver u sound pissed ;-/

[Brendan]

Yeah I think you're mis-reading Olly too. I had exactly the same
impression about how Lydon came off in that interview, no biggie in it but
that bit seemed a bit awkward, looked like the guy didn't really know how
to take him...but I think Lydon was just trying to be friendly and
connect, not ignore the other guest, in the 1-3 mins or however long those
interviews go on for. Perhaps he wanted to explain himself to the american
public, perhaps he thought there's some left-over association in some
people's minds between punk music and racist skinheads, who knows? And he
wanted to demonstrate that, as perhaps the biggest punk figure of all
time, he's totally against that...but when you're a) pissed, b) hugely
time constrained, and c) on live telly being interviewed, you're less
likely to be able to communicate subtly.

I agree with Olly that it looked a bit like white apologist behaviour, but
what's wrong with that? It's easy to quote cliches about ebony and ivory
and all that but race relations are fucking awkward at times, I didn't
take Olly's comments negatively towards Lydon at all. I've felt the same
way on both sides (being quarter lebanese) ...you say and do stupid
things, but only because your ethic is to demonstrate that there's NO race
barrier to you...when in fact if you just acted normal that communicates
everything you wanted to say anyways. It's awkward sometimes, simple as
that.


> Actually, I'm not mad; I just think I was mis-read.

>

> Believe it or not, I can claim to have met John Lydon personally. I AM

> FAMOUS. It was when he wrote that autobiography in the early 90s. _No

> Blacks, No Irish_ etc whatever.  He went on a book-signing tour in the

> US. He appeared at a bookstore in Dallas, TX, wearing a Dallas Stars

> hockey jersey. If you wanted him to sign your book you had to buy one,

> which in hardback was like US $25. I didn't have the $$ for that, and

> besides, the line was so long it curled around the back of the very

> large store he was at, and I was so punk at the time I thought

> autographs were for morons.

>

> A lot of punks were hanging around outside, not buying his book of

> course, too, but nonetheless sitting around on the benches as if it were

> a punk gig. I'm sure the book store managers loved that. They were used

> to book signings by people like Dean Koontz and Joan Collins -- not THIS

> crowd.

>

> I went inside and even though I didn't have a copy of his bio me and a

> friend got close to to the table he was at, which was very awkward. He

> sort of looked up at us. I said, "Hi," and he said, "Hi." That was it.

> MAGICAL, isn't it!?!?

>

> In any event I know more about Lydon than I do 98% of US presidents.

> Even so, I still hold the apparently damnable and atrocious opinion I

> do, which is actually very mld and quite innocuous, about that Kimmel

> interview. Quentin Tarantino did an interview on Leno where he was blind

> drunk and came off a lot worse than Lydon ever has, if that means

> anything. Then again, I can't stand Tarantino. He annoys the fuck out of

> me.

>

> -Oliver

>

>

> melinda grant wrote:

>> oliver-- thats why i bothered to exsplain to you--you were having a go

>> at johns bahaviour,because you thought he ment somethings,by acting

>> akward and wierd as you said it,towards the actor black

>> guy.......................

>>

>> i filed in the gaps for you--which if you had known in first place,you

>> would not of drawn that conclusion on johns approach towards the actor

>> guy----id say i did you a favour,now you want to carry it on ;-/  you

>> were wrong about john ok,its not a compeition ;-)

>>

>>

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