[kj] OT: Few lunatic questions

Brian Whitehead bawhitehead at gmail.com
Tue Sep 12 10:25:25 EDT 2006


There was a discusion on Joy Division on 6 Music last night and they
described them on more than one occasion as industrial. Just shows its all
about perceptions.

Brian.


On 12/09/06, Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I guess what I consider "industrial" is a band that, one way  or another,
> is
> emulating the rhythmic BUTvery machine like.  I think of a giant metal
> stamping machine in a car factory and hearing the drum or bass line out of
> that.  Not as ...organic...which is what I think differentiates Killing
> Joke
> from someone like Ministry (at least Land of through Psalm 69).
>
> Chris
>
>
> >From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk,"A list about all things Killing Joke
> >(the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
> >To: "'Alex Smith'" <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"'A list about all things
> >Killing Joke (the band!)'"<gathering at misera.net>
> >Subject: RE: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
> >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:45:59 +0100
> >
> >To choose a more obvious example, I think KJ's influence on Ministry is
> >immense & they're considered to be somewhat industrial. I'm erring on the
> >side of KJ's influence on the rock/tribal/dischord end of industrial.
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
> >Behalf Of Alex Smith
> >   Sent: 07 September 2006 18:23
> >   To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!);
> >gathering at misera.net
> >   Subject: RE: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
> >
> >
> >   A label is a label is a label. I'm not condemning them or praising
> them,
> >just pointing out that in the case of Killing Joke, the label
> "industrial"
> >doesn't seem to fit.
> >
> >   Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: Papa Lazarou
> >     Sent: Sep 7, 2006 11:52 AM
> >     To: gathering at misera.net
> >     Subject: RE: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
> >
> >
> >     Why does it have to 'be' something?
> >     For branding? :/
> >
> >     Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >       I think all our respective definitions of "industrial" are
> >conflicting.
> >
> >       Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> >       -----Original Message-----
> >       >From: Rob Horan
> >       >Sent: Sep 7, 2006 8:18 AM
> >       >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> >       >Subject: RE: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
> >       >
> >       >The keyboards, particularly on KJ and EDVRE, provide irrefutable
> >proof
> >       >of 'industrial' influence, no?
> >       >
> >       >horbag
> >       >
> >       >-----Original Message-----
> >       >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> >[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> >       >On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
> >       >Sent: 07 September 2006 12:39
> >       >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> >       >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >Can't say I remember that, but the Red Hot Chili Peppers banged
> on
> >       >metal during the middle-eight of "Breaking the Girl" and they're
> >not
> >       >"industrial" either.
> >       >
> >       >Alex in NYC
> >       >
> >       >
> >       >On Sep 7, 2006, at 12:37 AM, Blazingstar418 wrote:
> >       >
> >       >> Good evening All,
> >       >>
> >       >>> No one bangs on metal.
> >       >>
> >       >> *ahem*
> >       >> Except on "Change". ;)
> >       >>
> >       >> A L P
> >       >>
> >       >> --- Alex Smith wrote:
> >       >>
> >       >>>
> >       >>> 1. I've never understood why people call Killing
> >       >>> Joke industrial. Honestly. They play drums, guitars,
> >       >>> bass and keyboards.
> >       >>> Comparatively conventional instrumentation is the
> >       >>> order of the day. They may share a bleak,
> >       >>> apocalyptic world view with some of the "industrial"
> >       >>> acts, but I don't see any connection beyond that.
> >       >>>
> >       >>> 2. KJ with a woman drummer or bass player? Sure,
> >       >>> although I'm not sure it would necessarily fit. For
> >       >>> better or worse, I think there's always been a
> >       >>> prominently testosterone-centric vibe to the `Joke
> >       >>> (who knows? Maybe that's been their undoing!) Much
> >       >>> like, say, the early Stranglers, Killing Joke carry
> >       >>> themselves like a gang of thugs. That's how they
> >       >>> potray themselves and, presumably, how they live.
> >       >>> That atmosphere of menace and the veiled threats of
> >       >>> violence -- however ultimately childish and
> >       >>> impractical -- seem like thoroughly male traits. I
> >       >>> think a female in the ranks would greatly change the
> >       >>> dynamic. I'd be curious to see/hear it, but I
> >       >>> wouldn't hold my breath.
> >       >>>
> >       >>> Would you settle for Raven in a dress?
> >       >>>
> >       >>> Alex in NYC
> >       >>>
> >       >>>
> >       >>>
> >       >>>
> >       >>>
> >       >>> -----Original Message-----
> >       >>>> From: Lennonka
> >       >>>> Sent: Sep 5, 2006 11:47 AM
> >       >>>> To: gathering at misera.net
> >       >>>> Subject: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>> Please try to think about it first before you
> >       >>> reprobate me : )))
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>> 1. Tried someone to listen to KJ music after
> >       >>> smoking a joint? It seemed to me more like "techno"
> >       >>> than "rock". Is it because that they're so
> >       >>> industrial or I smoked too much? : ))
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>> 2. Are they an interlink between rock music and
> >       >>> electronical music?
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>> 3. How would you like if a woman was in a role of
> >       >>> the KJ instrumentalist?
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>>
> >       >>>> Lennonka, currently in Netherlands (that is
> >       >>> explaining all, I think : )))
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