[kj] OT: Few lunatic questions

[ade]

Thing about much of the post-TG bands is that they seemed to take the
'industrial' tag too literally. Let's sample some machines & that. TG
were talking about society/living environment & reflecting the stark/nasty
sh!thole kinda place that the UK was in the 70's. Post-industrial wastelands
& so on. Hence I've never really been interested in the more literal takes
on industrial, such as Test Dept.

In truth, the 'industrial' tag only describes a tiny portion of TG, a lot of
which was their independence. The DIY Punk movement learnt a hell of a lot
from them... (flame me!)


-----Original Message-----
From: Christof hamille [mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com]
Sent: 06 September 2006 17:21
To: gathering at misera.net; ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions


And Neubauten would probably arbue about them being intentionally
industrial.  In the beginning it was more of a case of not having enough
money to own instruments.  And as time goes on their songs become more
"traditional" in the writing.  It is the instruments that make it unique.
There is a lot more too it then that but lets keep it simple.  Neubauten is
one of my favorites.

Chris


>From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk,"A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
>Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:53:24 -0400
>
>
>No, that was more Neubauten's shtick, but by the same token, TG never
>employed instruments in anywhere near as conventional a manner as the
>`Joke did (and continue to do).
>
>As inaccessible as the `Joke may seem to many, they are -- and always  have
>been -- consummate musicians (just ask Jaz -- oh, on second  thought,
>please don't!) whereas TG were proudly oblivious of the  nature of true
>musicianship.
>
>I don't believe the two bands have all that much in common beyond an
>unflinchingly cheerless perspective on the state of the world (didn't  Jaz
>once go off on TG as being barely human?)
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>
>On Sep 5, 2006, at 6:30 PM, ade wrote:
>
>>You don't have to be banging on metal to be 'industrial' !!! I  don't
>>think
>>TG ever did...
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
>>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Alex Smith
>>Sent: 05 September 2006 17:10
>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!);
>>gathering at misera.net
>>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
>>
>>
>>
>>1. I've never understood why people call Killing Joke industrial.
>>Honestly.
>>They play drums, guitars, bass and keyboards. No one bangs on metal.
>>Comparatively conventional instrumentation is the order of the day.  They
>>may
>>share a bleak, apocalyptic world view with some of the "industrial"  acts,
>>but I don't see any connection beyond that.
>>
>>2. KJ with a woman drummer or bass player? Sure, although I'm not  sure it
>>would necessarily fit. For better or worse, I think there's always  been a
>>prominently testosterone-centric vibe to the `Joke (who knows?  Maybe
>>that's
>>been their undoing!) Much like, say, the early Stranglers, Killing  Joke
>>carry themselves like a gang of thugs. That's how they potray  themselves
>>and, presumably, how they live. That atmosphere of menace and the  veiled
>>threats of violence -- however ultimately childish and impractical  --
>>seem
>>like thoroughly male traits. I think a female in the ranks would  greatly
>>change the dynamic. I'd be curious to see/hear it, but I wouldn't  hold my
>>breath.
>>
>>Would you settle for Raven in a dress?
>>
>>Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Lennonka <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>
>>>Sent: Sep 5, 2006 11:47 AM
>>>To: gathering at misera.net
>>>Subject: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Please try to think about it first before you reprobate me : )))
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Tried someone to listen to KJ music after smoking a joint? It  seemed
>>>to
>>me more like "techno" than "rock". Is it because that they're so
>>industrial
>>or I smoked too much? : ))
>>>
>>>2. Are they an interlink between rock music and electronical music?
>>>
>>>3. How would you like if a woman was in a role of the KJ
>>>instrumentalist?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Lennonka, currently in Netherlands (that is explaining all, I  think :
>>>)))
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