[kj] OT: Few lunatic questions

[ade]

I think the point I was trying to make is that just because KJ aren't
banging bits of metal doesn't mean they haven't had an ENORMOUS influence
on what could be described as 'Industrial Rock'. With all due respect,
bearing in mind I have much time for your knowledge of music, I find your
analogy bizarrely simplistic. I consider EDAVRE to be nearest to the
industrial rock thing, at that period in time - as well as their influence
on the whole alt/dark-rock/metal/techno/dance/intense/heavy/whatever scene
in the first place. I cannot see how they DON'T have a hand in the
industrial
scene. I hear Geordie-influence on Napalm's 'Diatribes' (itself a
groove-laden
EDAVRE -influenced monster of an album) & it gives me the 4kin HORN!!!

Regards TG, I'd say Discipline is full-on 4-on-the-floor techno & predates
much of the same. A genre all their own..

You idle music-journo, you! ;)


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
Sent: 06 September 2006 02:53
To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions



No, that was more Neubauten's shtick, but by the same token, TG never
employed instruments in anywhere near as conventional a manner as the
`Joke did (and continue to do).

As inaccessible as the `Joke may seem to many, they are -- and always
have been -- consummate musicians (just ask Jaz -- oh, on second
thought, please don't!) whereas TG were proudly oblivious of the
nature of true musicianship.

I don't believe the two bands have all that much in common beyond an
unflinchingly cheerless perspective on the state of the world (didn't
Jaz once go off on TG as being barely human?)

Alex in NYC




On Sep 5, 2006, at 6:30 PM, ade wrote:

> You don't have to be banging on metal to be 'industrial' !!! I
> don't think
> TG ever did...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Alex Smith
> Sent: 05 September 2006 17:10
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!);
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> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
>
>
>
> 1. I've never understood why people call Killing Joke industrial.
> Honestly.
> They play drums, guitars, bass and keyboards. No one bangs on metal.
> Comparatively conventional instrumentation is the order of the day.
> They may
> share a bleak, apocalyptic world view with some of the "industrial"
> acts,
> but I don't see any connection beyond that.
>
> 2. KJ with a woman drummer or bass player? Sure, although I'm not
> sure it
> would necessarily fit. For better or worse, I think there's always
> been a
> prominently testosterone-centric vibe to the `Joke (who knows?
> Maybe that's
> been their undoing!) Much like, say, the early Stranglers, Killing
> Joke
> carry themselves like a gang of thugs. That's how they potray
> themselves
> and, presumably, how they live. That atmosphere of menace and the
> veiled
> threats of violence -- however ultimately childish and impractical
> -- seem
> like thoroughly male traits. I think a female in the ranks would
> greatly
> change the dynamic. I'd be curious to see/hear it, but I wouldn't
> hold my
> breath.
>
> Would you settle for Raven in a dress?
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lennonka <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>
>> Sent: Sep 5, 2006 11:47 AM
>> To: gathering at misera.net
>> Subject: [kj] OT: Few lunatic questions
>>
>>
>>
>> Please try to think about it first before you reprobate me : )))
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Tried someone to listen to KJ music after smoking a joint? It
>> seemed to
> me more like "techno" than "rock". Is it because that they're so
> industrial
> or I smoked too much? : ))
>>
>> 2. Are they an interlink between rock music and electronical music?
>>
>> 3. How would you like if a woman was in a role of the KJ
>> instrumentalist?
>>
>>
>>
>> Lennonka, currently in Netherlands (that is explaining all, I
>> think : )))
>>
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