[kj] Democracy drumming........damn right!!!!!

Christof hamille wessidetempest at hotmail.com
Mon Oct 16 13:30:48 EDT 2006 

As a whole th ealbum was recorded/mixed/whatever poorly.  The remastered 
helped but not enough.  The parts that are good, COLD be, excellent.  But 
because of the recording it falls flat.  ANd there are definately songs that 
were phoned in.
So as a whole it was recorded poorly.
Only half of the songs are good.

Maybe Dugmore is a bad drummer.  Maybe he is phenominal.  Who knows.  I 
think his drumming is more ductated by the writing forces.  Pandemonium is a 
fine example of that.  Onn a flip note.  The drumming for 2003 was written 
by Geordie and Andy Gill, Grohl came in and put his onstyle to it.  Grohl ca 
do that because of his position.  Benny and Geoff are much furhter down the 
food chain so there opinions probably count much less.

And in my opinion Hossannass and Benny have the same issues.  But I still 
like Deomcracy more.

Chris


>From: Jiri <unspeakable at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Democracy drumming........damn right!!!!!
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:46:11 -0500
>
>Larkin did the good stuff and Dugmore did the crap? But the Wikipedia entry 
>(of course it is just Wikipedia) Christof sent seems to indicate the 
>falling out with Larkin happened before Democracy was recorded, no?
>
>Count me as a fan of Democracy (but I repeat myself) as a whole and a fan 
>of its drumming in parts. Always fun to see some others come out of the 
>woodwork to defend Democracy. Parts are boring drumming (which can be said 
>of all the instruments at various points), but many drumming parts are 
>perfect for the song (Pilgrimage). Though the drums on Aeon are pretty 
>straightforward/simple, I've tried, yet can't imagine how, they might have 
>been improved while still keeping the song's storming quality.
>
>For me, if Dugmore received a bad rep for Pandemonium (whose beats are 
>dominated by the electronica influence anyway), he redeemed himself with 
>Democracy.
>
>
>Christof hamille wrote:
>>>From Wikipedia
>>
>>1992-1996
>>
>>A Killing Joke anthology, Laugh? I Nearly Bought One!, was released in 
>>1992, and during its production Geordie was re-acquinted with Youth, who 
>>suggested that they reform the band with himself back on bass. That same 
>>year two singles (on cassette and CD) appeared featuring the early songs 
>>"Change" and "Wardance" in several new versions remixed by Youth, by then 
>>a very successful producer.
>>
>>The reactivated Killing Joke released two strong and well-received albums, 
>>Pandemonium and Democracy, which saw the band shift back to the simpler 
>>arrangments of their first two albums. Pandemonium (1994) mixed their 
>>signature sound with dance beats and loops and provided Killing Joke with 
>>a memorable Top of the Pops performance for the single 'Millennium', which 
>>was a UK Top 30 hit. Democracy (1996) successfully introduced acoustic 
>>guitar into the mix, as well as adopting more of a "live band" sound 
>>again. Much of Pandemonium and all of Democracy featured session drummer 
>>Geoff Dugmore. He also played live with the band throughout this era. 
>>Youth bowed out of live performance early in the Democracy tour and was 
>>replaced by Troy Gregory, ex Prong.
>>
>>Coleman had produced the 1993 debut album Churn by the New Zealand Band 
>>Shihad and Shihad drummer Tom Larkin played drums on some of the songs on 
>>Pandemonium. However, relations later soured between Coleman and Shihad 
>>due to a dispute over Coleman's production fee for Churn, and the fact 
>>that Shihad considered him a "megalomaniac". Shihad's second album, 1995's 
>>Killjoy, includes two songs about Coleman and the dispute: Bitter and You 
>>Again. Coleman has also made a number of disparaging remarks about Shihad 
>>in the media. Shihad singer and guitarist Jon Toogood says his band have 
>>put the dispute behind them, however a song was recorded by Shihad called 
>>"Killing Jaz".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Thomas Kennedy <tkennedy1999 at sbcglobal.net>
>>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
>>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>>><gathering at misera.net>
>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Democracy drumming........damn right!!!!!
>>>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:55:19 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>I've ALWAYS liked Democracy, and thought the drums were good, 
>>>particularly the toms on "Absent Friends," but I'm almost positive those 
>>>were looped.
>>>
>>>   -Tom.
>>>
>>>Joe Casavola <elipsis44 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     I agree that Democracy IS a great album. I also agree that Geoff 
>>>Dugmore did an excellent drummer. I still listen to Democracy quite 
>>>frequently. One more thing to point out...Democracy doesn't have a muddy 
>>>mix like Hossnas. Hossanas is a great album, but I have to tweek the EQ 
>>>to get a descent listen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>---------------------------------
>>>   From: CEPLASTER at aol.com
>>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
>>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>To: gathering at misera.net
>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Democracy drumming........damn right!!!!!
>>>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:21:48 EDT
>>>
>>>     Dear Maurice,
>>>           I agree with your views on Democracy.   The drumming is 
>>>completely underrated and fantastic.    I still think Atkins stuff on 
>>>Extremeties is excellent as well, although everyone says that, so nothing 
>>>new there.   Am truly disappointed that I didn't get a chance to see them 
>>>knock out a live version of Aeon, Pilgrimage or Absent Friends, as all of 
>>>those seem like they could really kill onstage.  Shame no one seems to 
>>>like this record much, I think it's got some amazing stuff on it.   -Carl 
>>>P.
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