[kj] was Democracy now drink

Juliet Pleming price-pleming at tiscali.co.uk
Sun Oct 15 10:14:45 EDT 2006


Where does the assertion come from that Killing Joke ever saw themselves
as tea drinkers?

And if so did they collectively decide to be tea drinkers? Or did Jaz
decide for them?

Having been a hanger-on in those days, I for one never saw any of them
drinking tea!

Juliet

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
On Behalf Of Robert Mallett
Sent: 15 October 2006 11:27
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] was Democracy now drink

Something very revealing about the first incarnation of Killing Joke as
opposed to latter years. They saw themselves as tea drinkers, not
boozers.
It wasn't a drinking band. Would that it was still so.

If there is to be a further throw of the dice, I dearly hope they come
back
'dry'.

totally agree. heavy drinking always ends in tears in my experience.

bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "god botherer" <acroastic at hotmail.com>
To: <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: [kj] was Democracy now drink


> I'm sure you're right about Geordie. I wish he'd put his foot down
more. 
> That's where you need Big Paul. Why didn't Geordie leave the drink
alone 
> and try and sort the sound out - at least live? He's so great, and
life is 
> short. Probably right about Jaz. Drink a big negative again. Hope
you're 
> not right about Raven. I imagine he would have been disappointed the
way 
> the last album sounded - it could have been truly great. I think he is

> concerned about quality - he's a great bass player - but seems to have

> immersed himself in some of the more crass aspects of American
culture.
>
> Something very revealing about the first incarnation of Killing Joke
as 
> opposed to latter years. They saw themselves as tea drinkers, not
boozers. 
> It wasn't a drinking band. Would that it was still so.
>
> If there is to be a further throw of the dice, I dearly hope they come

> back 'dry'.
>
> Si
>
>
>>From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
>
>>doubt raven regrets the last two..the guy just doesn't display that
much 
>>concern for quality or ability to discern in general.
>>geordie must have regrets and it seems he has made statements that
would 
>>support that position.
>>but jaz may be too absorbed to notice, and if he were to pull his head
out 
>>his shit canal long enough to observe, he might find a whole mess of 
>>things less trivial to regret.
>>
>>
>>god botherer wrote:
>>>Agree about the pandering - surely they regret it.
>>>
>>>Si
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
>>>
>>>>*i agree about the drumming to some extent..also feel that democracy
was 
>>>>the last record where kj recorded material with less consciousness
for 
>>>>an audience - pandemonium and the last two sound pandering. what's
worse 
>>>>is the type of overcooked meatloaf chin mullet creature they pander
too 
>>>>makes them virtually unlistenable. the experience is like listening
to a 
>>>>politician, a sports commentator, or watching porno - uncreative,
cheap, 
>>>>cheezy and predictable.
>>>>*
>>>>god botherer wrote:
>>>>>Just wanted to pay tribute to the drumming on Democracy, as I've
never 
>>>>>seen anything complimentary said about the drummer. He brings
Savage 
>>>>>Freedom alive, does exactly the right thing on Aeon, pounds away to

>>>>>great effect on Pilgrimage and Absent Friends and there are some
lovely 
>>>>>touches on tracks like Medicine Wheel.
>>>>>
>>>>>He wasn't to blame that there were a couple of turkeys on that
album, 
>>>>>and that it was hamstrung by the production.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now he's gone and forgotten and unappreciated. Seems a shame.
>>>>>
>>>>>For all the faults on that album, I still sense that the band were 
>>>>>trying to make the music they wanted to make, without reference to
the 
>>>>>whims of the market, and with Jaz remembering to sing some of the
time 
>>>>>instead of just shouty vocals all the way through.
>>>>>
>>>>>Si
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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