[kj] hijab off?

flight Bringer flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk
Wed Oct 11 18:59:53 EDT 2006


Maybe there arent even any hijab wearing  Muslim females in the UK at all  , 
maybe they are all just British criminals on the run in disguise  , evading  
capture .
   Ronnie Biggs probably did even go to Brazil and Lord Lucan is probably 
living in Bradford somewhere


>From: "jon chapman" <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: RE: [kj] hijab off?
>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:45:10 +0000
>
>i have no problem with them wearing the hijab,theyre pig ugly anyway so 
>wearing it stops me from throwing up.although if one of em went into a shop 
>a stole something which later was seen on cctv,how can the shop prove it 
>was them??
>
>sorry just pissed off,went to see lacuna coil tonite and it was just 
>dreadful.
>
>
>>From: culturevirus <culturevirus at yahoo.com>
>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>><gathering at misera.net>
>>Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw
>>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:45:04 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>I understand your point, I think Jack Straw was saying the same thing. On 
>>the whole I don't disagree with this feeling. To a certain degree she was 
>>"empowered" or had power over you. Because of the head covering you were 
>>at a disadvantage in reading her and were in effect disempowered. These 
>>are reasonable concerns that people in multi-cultural societies need to 
>>address and come to terms with. From what I can see in England you have a 
>>significantly higher percent of Muslim women wearing this traditional 
>>dress. Why don't you guys deal with this in an intelligent and peaceful 
>>manner so we in the US have a good example to follow :^)
>>
>>flight Bringer <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:  "Such clothing can 
>>make women feel empowered as they no longer face
>>distracted men who are (even subconsciously) checking out their physical
>>features and are forced to deal with the woman as a social equal."
>>
>>This is not the case. Most men feel uncomfortable when speaking to women
>>wearing a hijab .I know that I did , I subconsciously did nt *connect* 
>>with
>>her at all . I didn't feel like I was interacting with a human being, she
>>seemed somewhat alien .
>>We also read people facial expressions a great deal . You can grasp what
>>the other person is thinking by their facial expressions and if you cannot
>>see their face then you wont be able to fully understand their feelings . 
>>A
>>frown or a smile is an indication of a positive or negative reaction to 
>>any
>>given statement . You can also tell how serious a person is being by their
>>facial expression.
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: culturevirus
>> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>> >band!)"
>> >To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk,"A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>> >band!)"
>> >Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw
>> >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:17:07 -0700 (PDT)
>> >
>> >coming out of lurkdom again... being a US based person, the politics of
>> >Britain are mostly unknown to me, but we have roughly the same set of
>> >circumstances in the US. I have yet to hear/read of any of our 
>>politicians
>> >speaking on the subject in such a level-headed manner as Mr. Straw. Our
>> >politicians tend to speak in small words and short sentences so as to
>> >discourage deep thought on issues and therefore maintain knee-jerk 
>>voting
>> >based on political hatred for "the other party".
>> >
>> >Ade's comment (echoed by a few others) reflects the way a lot of us
>> >Westerners view the hijab: as a way to keep women down or force women to
>> >shoulder the burden of policing the male sexual drive. I know part of me
>> >feels that way as well. But as Straw pointed out early in his column, 
>>many
>> >women do choose to wear head coverings of some type. If you ask these 
>>women
>> >many of them will respond that like school uniforms it keeps them equal
>> >with their peers and reduces the distraction of clothing differences and
>> >focuses peoples attentions on the wearer and not the clothes. Such 
>>clothing
>> >can make women feel empowered as they no longer face distracted men who 
>>are
>> >(even subconciously) checking out their physical features and are forced 
>>to
>> >deal with the woman as a social equal.
>> >
>> >I recently read a book on the history of The Habit (Catholic nun garb) 
>>and
>> >many nuns feel the same way. Within the communities of these women there 
>>is
>> >disagreement over whether such attire has an overall positive or 
>>negative
>> >affect on their place in society. Nearly all agree however, that it sets
>> >them apart from other women and puts them in a frame of reference that 
>>is
>> >unique among their sex.
>> >
>> >In a perfect world women will choose to wear such attire for what they 
>>feel
>> >it does for them as a person and not what their sub-culture expects of
>> >them.
>> >
>> >
>>
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