[kj] Jaz Straw

[flight Bringer]

It doesnt say anything in the Koran about covering Females faces . The 
closest it comes is saying that "Females should dress modestly" . A Micro 
Bikini is one end of extreme dressing and a arabya.Hijab is at the other end 
of extreme dressing. Modest would be somewhere in the middle


>From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
>Reply-To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk,"A list about all things Killing Joke 
>(the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>To: "'culturevirus'" <culturevirus at yahoo.com>,"'A list about all things 
>Killing Joke (the band!)'"<gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw
>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:21:12 +0100
>
>Oh no, I'm not generalising that it's 'keeping wimmin down' in all cases.
>Obviously not. But to ignore
>that reality is wrong too. I'm against the cooontish use of these things,
>primarily.
>
>The thing is.. Mohammeds' words on the matter are still open to discussion,
>so like the Bible Belt
>view on fags & abortions, the words are reinterpreted time & again, just
>like/as political arguments.
>And like the Bible Belt, those arguments can be turned on all sorts of
>people who're frowned upon.
>Like women with rights!
>
>
>ade
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: culturevirus [mailto:culturevirus at yahoo.com]
>   Sent: 11 October 2006 02:17
>   To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>band!)
>   Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw
>
>
>   coming out of lurkdom again... being a US based person, the politics of
>Britain are mostly unknown to me, but we have roughly the same set of
>circumstances in the US. I have yet to hear/read of any of our politicians
>speaking on the subject in such a level-headed manner as Mr. Straw. Our
>politicians tend to speak in small words and short sentences so as to
>discourage deep thought on issues and therefore maintain knee-jerk voting
>based on political hatred for "the other party".
>
>   Ade's comment (echoed by a few others) reflects the way a lot of us
>Westerners view the hijab: as a way to keep women down or force women to
>shoulder the burden of policing the male sexual drive. I know part of me
>feels that way as well. But as Straw pointed out early in his column, many
>women do choose to wear head coverings of some type. If you ask these women
>many of them will respond that like school uniforms it keeps them equal 
>with
>their peers and reduces the distraction of clothing differences and focuses
>peoples attentions on the wearer and not the clothes. Such clothing can 
>make
>women feel empowered as they no longer face distracted men who are (even
>subconciously) checking out their physical features and are forced to deal
>with the woman as a social equal.
>
>   I recently read a book on the history of The Habit (Catholic nun garb) 
>and
>many nuns feel the same way. Within the communities of these women there is
>disagreement over whether such attire has an overall positive or negative
>affect on their place in society. Nearly all agree however, that it sets
>them apart from other women and puts them in a frame of reference that is
>unique among their sex.
>
>   In a perfect world women will choose to wear such attire for what they
>feel it does for them as a person and not what their sub-culture expects of
>them.
>
>   I am culturevirus
>
>   ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>     I dunno. I just think it's odd to defend a way of keeping women down.
>Nevertheless, I'll defend the right
>     to wear the things!
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: Jim Harper [mailto:jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk]
>       Sent: 10 October 2006 21:32
>       To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke
>(the band!)
>       Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw
>
>
>       So I take I'm missing the real issue then?
>
>       ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>         Look, I'll make my point again - imagine the subject has no 
>colour,
>so we're not talking about race
>         now. That seems to be the subtext on BOTH sides in many cases. Now
>imagine a subject female
>         being told she has to cover up *her* 'adornments'. Sort've puts 
>the
>blame at her door doesn't it.
>
>         It's like as if the 'institutionalised treatment of women as 
>cattle'
>is shorted out by the 'race' aspect.
>
>         A lefty nightmare.
>
>
>         ade.
>
>
>
>
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