[kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)

[fluw]

ironic, all the positive 'inseparable music and politics' talk from 
raven when but a few years ago he helped to intermit political 
conversation on this forum.
 
yet now he is promoting this aspect of his new affiliation that is 
railing against bush administration "lies,lies,lies":
/when in 2001 - 2002/, raven was on this and joe's forum calling to 
invade and "kill'em all" "sand nigger " remarks and lending aid for the 
blurring of the lines between al queda and iraq with vehement support of 
his forum buddy. all the while deriding and attempting to squelch people 
who *challenged* arguments *for the war* -

/ in 2001/ - 2002 - so many were blinded by their anger and fear of 
recent terrorist events that the majority was effectively cowering at 
the thought of questioning invasions and war against "sand niggers"

but now that the lies that were known then are accepted in the 
mainstream and all the war mongers are shown to be what they are and the 
majority is finally against the bush demagoguery machine and popstars 
are feeling cocky...looky here, so does big bird.

what an attractive trait, constantly vacillating to the most fashionable 
insurrection...it is only fitting that a personality like this breeds 
animals for kill sport.
what one is capable with innocent animals, so will be with humans.

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nicholas fitzpatrick wrote:
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> HEADLINE: Ministry is still raging against the machine
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> Pearl Jam and Neil Young may have their recently released anti-war 
> albums, but when it comes to pure vitriolic revolution songs, Al 
> Jourgensen and his industrial thrash band Ministry rails against 
> George W. Bush like no one else.
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> Brimming with indignant rage, Ministry's new album, "Rio Grande 
> Blood," recaptures the revolutionary spirit of the band's heyday (see 
> 1992's "Psalm 69"). Through 10 blistering tracks, Jourgensen and his 
> crew rant on topics ranging from corporate corruption ("Fear (Is Big 
> Business)") to 9/11 ("Lies, Lies, Lies") to U.S. military policy 
> ("Gangreen").
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> Jourgensen takes shots at Dubya at every turn, asking a question on 
> "Lies, Lies Lies": If the government truly has nothing to hide / Why 
> are they afraid to answer a few questions?
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> Jourgensen incorporates an all-star team of musicians on the album and 
> the subsequent tour (stopping at the House of Blues downtown Sunday 
> night), including drummer Joey Jordison (Slipknot), guitarist Mike 
> Scaccia (Rigor Mortis), keyboardist John Bechdel (Fear Factory, Prong) 
> guitarist Tommy Victor (Prong) and bassist Paul Raven (Killing Joke).
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> "I think we represent the spirit of rebellion that has been very 
> underground as far as music is concerned," said bassist Raven. "I 
> can't tell you what all these industrial bands and people like Trent 
> Reznor are doing. I got into music in 1977 in the time of punk rock. 
> Music and politics has been inseparable."
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> About the tour, Raven said: "We call it Ministry on steroids, because 
> everyone says it's the best they've heard the band. We take our cues 
> off of a lot of what the fans say. They get online after every show 
> and dissect the show. We look at that in the morning and take it in."
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