[kj] America

Alexander Smith vassifer at earthlink.net
Fri May 19 07:19:44 EDT 2006 

Agreed. In the interview I used for the MTV piece, Jaz cusses like a  
teenager throughout. It just sounds stupid and wrong.

Alex in NYC


On May 18, 2006, at 7:51 PM, wscheip1 at aol.com wrote:

> This is probably the worst response I could give but here it goes:
>
> Jaz sounds silly when he curses.
>
> That's pretty much it.
>
> From,
> Will
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jiri <unspeakable at sbcglobal.net>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)  
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:27:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: [kj] America
>
> I'm not sure I get the popular objection to "Fight by day, f*ck by  
> night." I mean, admittedly, at first listen I cringed too and  
> thought, "well that's a bit obvious and weak." But on the other  
> hand it's not like it is in anyway inconsistent with this band's  
> lyrical history or one of most returned-to common themes. Primitive  
> man, "we go to the basic feeling...to the basic man..." All this  
> leads quite logically to a phrase that sums up man as a fighting  
> and copulating little bastard.
>
> >From a band whose previous, sparsely worded songs included  
> constructions like "Follow the feeling wherever it goes, the  
> primitive way, the primitive day," the "Walking With Gods" opener  
> doesn't make me cringe anymore. It makes perfect thematic sense.
>
> P Bernardi wrote:
>>
>>
>> wscheip1 at aol.com wrote:
>>> Well, I know I've read many reviews of Hosannas and some of the  
>>> criticisms leveled against it. Some I believe are valid, but I  
>>> can't imagine OTG as better than Hosannas. If nothing else  
>>> Hosannas is another commitment to the energy and vitality of  
>>> Killing Joke. As odd as it may sound when I hear the first line  
>>> of "Lift up your spirits," my spirits actually do rise. Granted  
>>> their are songs like
>> And on the opposite side of the fench, with Jaz singing in a  
>> cookie monster voice: "Flight by Day, Fuck by Night" makes me  
>> cringe and shake my head in disbelief. Actually, some of the  
>> lyrics on Hosannas seemed to be inspired by Jaz's love of Blue  
>> Oyster Cults'  "Fire of Unknown Origin" album!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Walking with the Gods and Judas goat which don't do it for me,  
>>> but I haven't had a Killing Joke album that I've enjoyed from  
>>> start to finish since Extremities and since Night Time before that.
>> KJ is past the glory years, never coming out w/ anything thats  
>> gonna rule like Extremeties or Nighttime again. (pains me to say  
>> that).
>>>
>>> I can't say the say for the opening lines of OTG "You better  
>>> listen to me!" My love of this land and stay one jump ahead have  
>>> good guitar parts, but beyond that I can't really see the virtue  
>>> in OTG.
>>
>> OTG one of the most horrific experiments gone awry. Jaz trying to  
>> make a pop album that the yuppie masses would consume w/  
>> overwrought lyrics pointing out hazzards of greed.
>>
>> I can put OTG on the record player and laugh, point out some  
>> decent parts, rock out to obsession, contemplate how "outside the  
>> gate" is actually a cool sounding title, and laugh some more. I  
>> actually can listen to the full album.
>>
>> Hossanas is a sheet of gray to me. Majority of songs I have no  
>> feelings toward. I cannot sit thru Invocation, Light Bringer,  
>> Title Track, Gratitude. I love Exorcism from Pandemonium, so its  
>> just not the length of the song.
>>
>> I do not feel the KJ spirit on H osannas.
>>>
>>> From,
>>> Will
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: P Bernardi <phantasmas at erols.com>
>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)  
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:04:10 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] America
>>>
>>> Mwu - ha h a ha ha... one of us... one of us.... one of us..... !
>>>
>>> wscheip1 at aol.com wrote:
>>>> Hmm, I've entered the twilight zone.
>>>>
>>>> From,
>>>> Will
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: phantasmas at erols.com; A list about all things Killing Joke  
>>>> (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
>>>> Sent: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:56:40 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] America
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At least OTG had fully fleshed-out SONGS (however dubiously  
>>>> executed) on it, and not just glorified jam sessions.
>>>>
>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2006, at 6:16 PM, P Bernardi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Serious about Geordie looking Miami Vice?
>>>>> Serious about the Bass Player?
>>>>> Serious about OTG being the last album where Jaz pronounced  
>>>>> Armageddon?
>>>>>
>>>>> or finally laying down the gauntlet of truth and saying what  
>>>>> everyones thinking but too scarred to acknowledge????
>>>>>
>>>>> OTG IS BETTER THAN HOSANNAS!
>>>>>
>>>>> wscheip1 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> Oh come now, you can't be serious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From,
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: P Bernardi <phantasmas at erols.com>
>>>>>> To: KillingJokeMailingList <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:55:02 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: [kj] America
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Im watching the vid for America. Laughing myself silly.  
>>>>>> Geordie looks like he's hanging out w/ Crockett and Tubbs.  
>>>>>> Bass Player is getting FUN- KAY!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess this was the last gasp of Jaz predicting Nuclear doom.  
>>>>>> Maybe one of the Pandemonium vids had some nuclear jams in it,  
>>>>>> cant recall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still, as bad as that album was its still better than Hosannas!
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