[kj] Allegory and Logic Waft Among Us Now

[Djehuti111]

Good Morning F.B.,

--- FLIGHT BRINGER <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
> >  The line isn't pointing to a separate entity, but
> an
> >emotion, a feeling, a drive.
> >  Not dissimilar to Jung's theory of the Archetype.
> >
> *******I'm not familiar with that theory, could you
> explain?*************

 Wiki is cracking me up!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archetype

 Wait until you get to the part about Obi Wan Kenobi!


> >  It comes from within, not without.
> ************Within and without are two separate
> things. In and out are 
> opposites , but within and without are two separate
> entities . *Within* is 
> something inside your body whilst *without* is NOT
> something outside your 
> body*************

 *Within* and *without* are two separate ends of a
single idea.

 Every idea contains it's opposite, otherwise it
couldn't exist.

> >  Similarly "Satan" (The Adversary) can be used in
> >reference to whatever drive is inside us that
> causes
> >us to make "Bad" of self-harmful choices in our
> lives.
> 
> *********So you use the term Satan to mean anything
> bad that happens in your 
> life?***


 I don't, but then again, I don't believe in Satan.
Christianity isn't my preferred system of thought.

 I'm just playing "Devil's advocate" here pointing out
the flaw of language and the importance of Allegory.

> >  Or to keep sending those emails when you know
> that
> >it's just a waste of time... ;)
> ********As long as you waste your time reading them,
> then its 
> worthwhile:)**********

 Subject matter interests me, people who thrive on
conflict in a public forum don't. ;)

 Of course, isn't this exactly what *I'm* doing here
too? :D
 
> >  What would you call "That" drive which makes us
> >subject ourselves to things that we know are
> dangerous
> >or are slowly killing us.
> >
> *******I would call it a lack of discipline and the
> wreakless nature of the 
> species*********

 We can use whatever term we like but it all boils
down to the same thing, semantics.


> >   And, since I'm on a Jung bender, it's not
> dissimilar
> >to the "Shadow" self.
> >
> *******Pardon?************

 I'm sure that the link on Jung above cleared this up?

 
> >  But then again, Psychology only exists in my
> head,
> >after all I've never seen it. :D
> >
> *********Psychology is a thought process. But I
> would agree that satanism is 
> a thought process rather than  a living
> entity************

 Psychology isn't a "thought process" (unless you're
thinking along the lines that everything that's ever
been thought about is a thought process, but I don't
think that you're trying for that degree of
abstraction here).

"Satanism" can't be seen as an living entity.
  By definition, it's a "system" of thought.

 But, I'm glad that we're in agreement here.


> >  If you take everything only at face value, if you
> >only look at things only from an exoteric
> standpoint
> >you're selling yourself short.
> ***********Sorry, I dont have the ability to believe
in things that don't exist****************

 Heh, when's the last time that you saw your
intuition, or your intellect, or your consciousness or
*me* for that matter?
 Surely, these things still exist?

 BTW, not having the "ability to believe in things
that don't exist", is quite a feat!

 Are you not human like the rest of us?
 Neat!


> >  There's so much more than meets the eye. ;)
> >
> ********I dont believe there is******************

 Do you remember your dreams when you wake up in the
morning?
  Do "irrational" or "impossible" things ever happen
there?
 Are they based in "reality"?

 Where do you think dreams come from?
 In yer head?
 Sure, but when's the last time that you've seen the
inside of your head? :D

 Call me a romantic, but I think that there's more to
you than just the outside of your head.
 
> >  There *are* 2 sides to every coin right?
> >*********Yes, and you can see both
> sides**************

 One side at a time.

> >  Oh, yeah....
> >
> > > They only exist in peoples imaginations.
> ********The two sides of the coin? No they
> dont***************

 I'm quoting you here.

> >  Which means that you've admitted and just proven
> that
> >"they" exist.
> ********And i did nt even notice**********
> 
> 
> >  Then you backpedal...
> ********I did ???? ************

 Yes, you say they "exist" in people's heads, but then
you decided that if it isn't manifest here on the
physical plane it *doesn't* exist.

See below.
 
> > > They dont physically exist, they only exist in
> >people > imaginations, therefore they dont exist
> ********What doesnt physically exist?

 I'm quoting you again.
You're commenting and confused by your own commentary.

 And as for things that don't "physically exist"...

 Emotions?
 Thoughts?
 Hopes?
 Dreams?
 Time?
 Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? :D

> The thought
> process exists because 
> speech is the result of the thought
> process****************

  I'm a bit confused and wanting to make sure that I
understand you here. 
 Are you saying that speech is proof that the thought
process exists? 
 By that token, I guess that "Reality TV" is further
proof then. :D

> >  Well, I've never met "Peter" (or any of his other
> >personalities or imaginary email aliases), so the
> only
> >places that he "exists" are in my imagination
> (Which
> >is unfortunate enough) and my "inbox".
> 
> ********Some people have been unfortunate enough to
> meet him. So he exists. 

 According to who, you?
Why should I take your word for it?
 You're not taking mine.

 Isn't this entire thread just about subjective
viewpoints anyway?
   Since we're both different people, by Definition,
our "realities" will always be different.


> Have you met Satan ? No you
> haven't*******************

 Heh, I meet Satan every time I drink Whisky!
Or, perhaps it's more appropriate to say that those
around me meet Satan whenever I drink Whisky. ;)


> >  If I use your logic, it means that you don't
> exist.
> **********No ones ever met Satan though, people have
> met 
> Peter****************

 How do you *know* that no one's ever met Satan?
The world's been around for a lot longer than you
have.
 Besides, would you believe them if they did? ;)

>      Frank "light" B. Ringer

 Dee-LIGHT-ful making your acquaintance btw...

 ~A L P


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