[kj] Alegory and Logic Waft Among Us Now

[FLIGHT BRINGER]

>  Let's discuss Jaz's "Lightbringer" reference (since
>that's what this thread was originally about after
>all) shall we?
**********OK then DJ**************



>  "The rebellious spirit in you and me, the
>LightBringer".
>
>  Clearly "The Lightbringer" (ie: Lucifer) is the term
>that Jaz is using to reference "the rebellious spirit
>(not as in Spirits and Goblins wiseguy) in you and
>me".
***********Where do you think the new single will enter?************




>  Notice he doesn't say "The rebellious Angel".
>
********Spirit scans better*******************

>  The line isn't pointing to a separate entity, but an
>emotion, a feeling, a drive.
>  Not dissimilar to Jung's theory of the Archetype.
>
*******I'm not familiar with that theory, could you explain?*************


>  It comes from within, not without.
************Within and without are two separate things. In and out are 
opposites , but within and without are two separate entities . *Within* is 
something inside your body whilst *without* is NOT something outside your 
body*************





>  Similarly "Satan" (The Adversary) can be used in
>reference to whatever drive is inside us that causes
>us to make "Bad" of self-harmful choices in our lives.

*********So you use the term Satan to mean anything bad that happens in your 
life?***

>
>  Or to keep sending those emails when you know that
>it's just a waste of time... ;)
********As long as you waste your time reading them, then its 
worthwhile:)**********



>  What is it that drives you pick up that next
>cigarette, or to down that 5th martini and pick up the
>car keys.
********I dont drive, or drink to excess*************

>  What would you call "That" drive which makes us
>subject ourselves to things that we know are dangerous
>or are slowly killing us.
>
*******I would call it a lack of discipline and the wreakless nature of the 
species*********

>   And, since I'm on a Jung bender, it's not dissimilar
>to the "Shadow" self.
>
*******Pardon?************


>  But then again, Psychology only exists in my head,
>after all I've never seen it. :D
>
*********Psychology is a thought process. But I would agree that satanism is 
a thought process rather than  a living entity************


>  If you take everything only at face value, if you
>only look at things only from an exoteric standpoint
>you're selling yourself short.
***********Sorry, I dont have the ability to believe in things that dont 
exist*******


>  There's so much more than meets the eye. ;)
>
********I dont believe there is******************

>  There *are* 2 sides to every coin right?
>*********Yes, and you can see both sides**************

>  Oh, yeah....
>
> > They only exist in peoples imaginations.
********The two sides of the coin? No they dont***************



>  Which means that you've admitted and just proven that
>"they" exist.
********And i did nt even notice**********


>  Then you backpedal...
********I did ???? ************


> > They dont physically exist, they only exist in
>people > imaginations, therefore they dont exist
********What doesnt physically exist? The thought process exists because 
speech is the result of the thought process****************



>  Well, I've never met "Peter" (or any of his other
>personalities or imaginary email aliases), so the only
>places that he "exists" are in my imagination (Which
>is unfortunate enough) and my "inbox".

********Some people have been unfortunate enough to meet him. So he exists. 
Have you met Satan ? No you haven't*******************


>  If I use your logic, it means that you don't exist.
**********No ones ever met Satan though, people have met 
Peter****************


     Frank "light" B. Ringer

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