[kj] SOAD Drummer

Thu Mar 2 13:29:50 EST 2006

I will give that the Dillinger Escape Plan ep was brilliant.  I am not a fan 
of either side but that blew me away.  Patton seems overrated.  He has just 
never lived up to this genius/iconic stature that he sports so often

Chris

>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] SOAD Drummer
>Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:53:20 -0800 (PST)
>
>Introduce Yourself would definately be twice as good
>if Patton were singing on it but i still love Chuck.
>His melodies always ruled and his lyrics were totally
>weird and cool. Too bad he has to always live in
>Patton's shadow. Speaking of Patton, i think he lost
>the plot around "California". He hasn't really put out
>anything essential since then, except for maybe the
>Dillinger Escape Plan EP he sang on.
>
>Leigh
>
>
>--- Giorgio Tebaldi <gftebaldi at yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> > "Introduce Yourself" could have been perfect if
> > Chuck Mosley hadn't sung on it - his voice his just
> > too dull! You can love him or hate him, but Mike
> > Patton was the best thing that could happen to FNM.
> >
> >
> > Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com> schrieb:
> >   His parts were definately generic but like i said,
> > they were never really about guitar. It's just one
> > more element that adds to the mix and if it were
> > flashier or weirder or whatever, it would ruin the
> > thing that made their music so appealing to me when
> > i
> > first heard it. The tribal drums and repetative
> > parts
> > and droning keyboards. All beautiful and simple. My
> > favourite Faith No More album is Introduce Yourself.
> >
> > Leigh
> >
> > --- Jim Harper wrote:
> >
> > > 'Generic' is the only word that springs to my mind
> > > when I hear a fair amount of Jim Martin's guitar
> > > parts. 'KFAD' and 'AOTY' had more bad songs on
> > their
> > > other albums certainly, but half of 'Angel Dust'
> > is
> > > littered with Martin's just-about-good-enough
> > > metalisms ('Jizzlobber', for example), making him
> > > the weakest link on the album.
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > >
> > > Leigh Newton wrote:
> > > No waaaaaaaaaay! Well, yes, what he played was
> > > pretty
> > > standard, but the songs weren't guitar driven when
> > > he
> > > was in the band. It was all the instruments
> > meshing
> > > together in a big stew. You could tell that the
> > > songs
> > > were written without much input from Jim and that
> > > he'd
> > > sort of add his stuff at the end of the process.
> > It
> > > all made for an amazing sound. The stuff they did
> > > after was a lot more guitar driven and sounded a
> > lot
> > > more generic. Plus, i think Angel Dust was the
> > last
> > > album where they all really gave a shit. The next
> > 2
> > > just sound like going through the motions.
> > > Especially
> > > Album of the Year. There's a couple of amazing
> > songs
> > > on there, but you can just hear the ambivilence
> > > inbetween the notes. Plus, shit like Collision and
> > > Mouth to Mouth and Carhalo Voador and Take This
> > > Bottle
> > > and Coocoo for Caca are all unforgiveably bad.
> > >
> > > Leigh
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Alexander Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Meh. It was standard metal power-chordage. Their
> > > > work got
> > > > significantly more interesting once he was gone.
> > > >
> > > > Alex in NYC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Leigh Newton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The only good FNM stuff was the Jim Martin
> > > stuff.
> > > > > There was nothing wrong with his playing at
> > all.
> > > > It
> > > > > was beautiful in its simplicity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Leigh
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Jim Harper wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I believe FNM felt in retrospect that Geordie
> > > was
> > > > >> very much into his own style, which was
> > > different
> > > > >> from their own. FNM didn't turn him down;
> > both
> > > > >> parties felt the union wouldn't be best for
> > > them.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jim Martin was tolerable at best, but neither
> > > > as
> > > > >> talented or interesting as Trey Spruance or
> > Jon
> > > > >> Hudson.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Alex Smith wrote:
> > > > >> You could be right. A bit rich of FNM to
> > > > claim
> > > > >> that Geordie could only play in one style.
> > I'd
> > > > >> hardly call Jim Martin a virtuoso by ANY
> > > stretch
> > > > of
> > > > >> the imagination.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Alex in NYC
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Mike Cooper
> > > > >> Sent: Mar 1, 2006 3:58 PM
> > > > >> To: Alex Smith , "A list about all things
> > > Killing
> > > > >> Joke (the band!)"
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [kj] SOAD Drummer
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I always thought Geordie had a audition /
> > > > or
> > > > >> even joined FNM for a short while but they
> > > > claimed
> > > > >> he could only play in one style and wasn;t
> > > > suitable
> > > > >> - but I could be wrong - lnog time ago.
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: Alex Smith
> > > > >> To: James Osborne ; A list about all things
> > > > >> Killing Joke (the band!)
> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:29 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [kj] SOAD Drummer
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Geordie was briefly rumored to have been
> > > mulling
> > > > >> over an invitation to join Faith No More when
> > > Jim
> > > > >> Martin left.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ale xin NYC
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: James Osborne
> > > > >> Sent: Mar 1, 2006 2:21 PM
> > > > >> To: Alex Smith , "A list about all things
> > > Killing
> > > > >> Joke (the band!)"
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [kj] SOAD Drummer
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Geordie and Faith No More...what?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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