[kj] R.I.P. James Brown - Is this allowed?

Mike Cooper mike at coopersurf.fsnet.co.uk
Wed Dec 27 17:11:16 EST 2006


Just come back from my Christmas break and found a big row brewing. I was
wondering what people got for Christmas - is this allowed? Good! I got the
Crass book, the Ian Glasson book on anarcho punk bands and Banksy Walls and
Peace which are all brill. Wot a scoop! To top it all my brother got me
and my 6 year old son a ticket to see the mighty Swindon Town. It was his
first ever game, my late father took me at six - it was a very emotional
experience for me, that I did actually nearly cry. He loved it and we
fucking won as well - best present I have ever had EVER. Needless to say
the bug is back and god bless Paul Sturrock and Christian (no shinpads)
Roberts!

My other brother got me the Katie Melua or something CD. I ask you. I have
been annoying him with punk rock etc since the late 70's and this was
clearly my punishment. Anybody want a Kate thingy album before I stickon
ebay (ungrateful sod that I am).

There. Wot did anyone else get?
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown



>

> I personally dislike all the outlandish claims people make after someone

> died. Claims that bear no resemblance to reality, for example:

> "but the man's influence extends far and wide beyond simply funk and hip

> hop (neither of which would've existed without his contributions)"

> Alex: Do you really believe that had James Brown not entered the music

> business then funk and hip hop would never have been invented? James Brown

> had predecessors who influenced him , music is an evolving form and

> numerous people have contributed to musics evolution. To say that One man

> is solely responsible for not one, but two genres of music is a huge

> exaggeration.

> If James Brown hadnt have been born, then music today would still be

> exactly the same as it is now.

> He was just as famous for his dance steps than he was for the music he

> made. Can anyone sing ten James Brown songs?...........five?.........well

> apart from his two famous songs, can anyone sing or hum any of his other

> tunes? Because I certainly cant.

>

> "James Brown practically *INVENTED* stage presence"

> So you are saying that before James Brown there was nt anybody who had any

> "stage presence"? I cant disagree because I dont know .

>

> "And judging James Brown via his cameos in "The Blues Brothers" or "Rocky

> IV" or whatever is like judging Killing Joke solely by OUTSIDE THE GATE."

>

> Well no. James Browns contribution to the Rocky film gave him his only UK

> Number 1.

>

>

>

>

>

> --- vassifer at earthlink.net wrote:

>

> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>, "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>

> Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:16:31 -0500 (EST)

>

>

> "The only music he influenced was crap..."

>

> Sorry, Mik, but this is just a patently ridiculous statement. Again, I'm

> not saying you have to like James Brown, but the man's influence extends

> far and wide beyond simply funk and hip hop (neither of which would've

> existed without his contributions). James Brown practically *INVENTED*

> stage presence -- Iggy Pop, Robert Plant, Ian McCulloch, Jaz Coleman, Joe

> Stummer -- none of them can top, let alone touch what James Brown was. He

> was as crucial a performer/innovator/artist as anyone you can name.

>

> This just reminds me of the Beatles conversation we had a couple of weeks

> ago. I know it seems like a really, punky, iconoclastic thing to say that

> you don't like James Brown (who was inarguably "punker" than any band you

> can name -- listen to "Say It Loud, I"m Black & I"m Proud" and consider

> the context of the times), but to not recognize his influence and

> contribution just makes you seem a bit narrow, misinformed and, frankly,

> dim.

>

> And judging James Brown via his cameos in "The Blues Brothers" or "Rocky

> IV" or whatever is like judging Killing Joke solely by OUTSIDE THE GATE.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

>

> and he was just a criminal who some people thought

>>> could sing.

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>>From: Mik Raven <mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk>

>>Sent: Dec 26, 2006 11:55 AM

>>To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"

>><gathering at misera.net>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

>>

>>No I can't hear anything I like whatsoever in his music. Does that make me

>>myopic? Guess I'll go find my reading glasses then! :-) Actually, never

>>been

>>a big fan of change either. IMHO not one of the Joke's better ditties.

>>

>>Mik

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>>On

>>Behalf Of Stephen Robinson

>>Sent: 26 December 2006 10:39

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (t

>>Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

>>

>>You can't hear the power, excitment and simple funk power in his beats?

>>

>>If the only music he influenced was crap, do that mean you think Change

>>was

>>crap?

>>

>>> James Brown was shit but the Blues Brothers was quite an entertaining

>>> film. I will not shed a tear for James Brown but dread the endless

>>> tributes that are bound to follow his death. The only music he

>>> influenced was crap and he was just a criminal who some people thought

>>> could sing.

>>>

>>> Mik

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