[kj] 24 million people... 1 from those here!

peter.west410 peter.west410 at ntlworld.com
Wed Sep 28 18:18:19 EDT 2005


Good speech Javi, but you misunderstood me.
     I realise that alot of the plants come from the Amazon and were
discovered by the locals who have used them for a long time.
   You yourself said these medicines sometimes worked and sometimes did nt.
I'm talking about the ability to take these plants and test them in
laboratories and have the means to turn them into pills that WILL work .
      To take plants and put them through rigorous tests to make sure that
there are no side-effects , this process can take years. We have already
seen what effects untested drugs can have on people (Thalidomide)
     I'm talking about taking the raw plants a step further and turning them
into a mass produced safe medicine. Growing the plants in controlled
environments.
      That's what I was talking about:medicines, rather than raw plants
 So it is not a case of me being ignorant, it is a case of you not paying
attention.
    P.W.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Javier Garcia" <jagargal at lycos.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] 24 million people... 1 from those here!



----- Original Message -----
From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>

>      The Jungle dwellers may have a fresh water source but they certainly
> haven't discovered any medicines, which are needed for survival.

You coulde be amazed Pete (or maybe not if you don't open your mind a little
bit) if you only knew how many tribes make medicine with plants... you
should know there are a lot of
researchers taking examples of many healing plants to later make proffit
with them via the big chemical-medicine companies... there are a very lot of
them.
Going further, in most Latinamerican countries there's a whole culture of
healing with plants instead of going with a doctor. I'm not saying it's a
better way to heal (sometimes it is though),
but it works and works pretty fine. Here, in the heart of Mexico city we
have 'The Sonora Market' which is a huge provider of plants and many other
stuff, basically mystic/magical stuff. Some
of it work, some don't (there are a lot of charlatans too), but still It is
a living testimony that plants actually heal. Do you think the Lacandones
(from the jungle in Chiapas, Mexico) actually go
to the doctor??? most of them don't. Cases like this you can count
thousands.

It's amazing how close minded you are Peter, and it's amazing how you can go
from right to very wrong... and still speak as if you knew -and were right-
about everything. I don't mean no
offense, actually i enjoy quite often your discussions. This time not. Your
disrespect to cultures you don't know it's just very disturbing to me.
You must be aware that ignorant guys like you were the ones who came to this
continent and destroyed many tribal symbols, edifications and even whole
cultures to make this new world
more 'civilizated' and modern... i guess they were the "intelligent ones".
Those ancient cultures have a lot to teach us you arrogant man. There are
still a ot of thing we don't know about them.

Javier
mexico city





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