[kj] Pigface? ... and more futile attempts at defending theDamage Manual

Wed May 18 13:46:38 EDT 2005

Pigface started off as exactly that.  It was the, in all essence, the backup 
band of Ministry - Al Jourgenson.  Even BArker was involved early on. The 
first few albums and several tours had people that were in the band for the 
fun of it as there regualr bands were still going (for the most part).  It 
seemed like by the time they got past Notes from Thee Underground the whole 
dynamic changed and not for the better.
Age is catching up to Martin Atkins and he cannot pull it off live like he 
used to.  Watching hearing him live used to be awe inspiring.  And Pigface 
revolved around his drumming ability (listen to Fook).
All star line ups can surely suck.  Especially if they are there for the 
career advancement or $$.  But they can also be brilliant when they are they 
as true collaborators which is what early Pigface was.
Now it is Atkins last attempt to work and a stepping stone for those 
attempting to stay in the musical limelight.

Pigface is your last stop before getting a day job.

Chris

>From: Ed Grapes <dadsizedpantz at yahoo.co.uk>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Pigface? ... and more futile attempts at defending 
>theDamage Manual
>Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:43 +0100 (BST)
>
>Mind you, I liked the recent-ish Damage Manual album "Limited Edition" 
>(although this title does invite gags to the effect that they wouldn't need 
>to reel off too many copies, because who's going to buy it, eh?  EH ... ?  
>Go on, bring it on, you know you want to ...)  The double cd of remixes has 
>some good moments on it too.  As for Pigface, it still strikes me that this 
>eclectic lineup makes for a interesting prospect.  This is probably an odd 
>attitude to take, but I like the element of chance about a gig, nice to be 
>pleasantly surprised sometimes ... some gigs I've gone to that I've had 
>misgivings about have been great.  And vice versa ... this "artistic 
>collaborations with people in their prime" thing - obviously seeing people 
>at the top of their game is fantastic, but your expectations can be higher, 
>and often it can turn out to be a bit cosy - and sometimes because they're 
>the men (or women) of the moment, complacency and arrogance kicks in, and 
>they don't make the effor
>  t -  and
>  as for "people needing work" - fuck yeah, we all do, I doubt many of the 
>musicians discussed on this site are so well set that they just play for 
>the hell of it, would say that's a bit misty eyed ...
>
>Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com> wrote:1. I wouldn't go for 
>this lineup. Some of the lineups in the past seem like
>true artistic collaborations with people in their prime. This lineup, like
>others, seems more like people needing work.
>2. $15 is average compared to today's sad standards BUT usually the pigface
>lineup consisted of at least 10 people if not much more.
>3. Martin Atkins is not the drummer he used to be. Stamina, age something.
>I saw him for the Damage Manual tour a few years back and he is just
>not...En Esch used to always be entertaining but I cannot speak of 
>recently.
>
>I would consider this more of a Pigfarce.
>
>Chris
>
> >From: gregslawson at aol.com
> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> >
> >To: gathering at misera.net
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Pigface?
> >Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:31:19 -0400
> >
> >The lineup includes Charles Levi & Curse Mackey from Thrill Kill Kult, En
> >Esch from KMFDM, and also Hanin Elias (Atari Teenage Riot), Krztoff 
>(Bile),
> >and Lacey Conner (Nocturne).
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Phillipps Marc
> >To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
> >
> >Sent: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:26:23 +0100
> >Subject: RE: [kj] Pigface?
> >
> >
> >Depends on the lineup
> >
> > >From what I have heard they are rather hit & miss live
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gregslawson at aol.com [SMTP:gregslawson at aol.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:16 PM
> > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > Subject: [kj] Pigface?
> > >
> > > Just saw in the paper, Pigface plays in Boston tonite. I know people
> >hate
> > > Atkins for some reason, but musically are they worth paying $15 to 
>see?
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