[kj] tour videos
sade1
saulomar1 at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 14 03:14:57 EST 2005
Hopefully I'll get to see'em and buy one come May.
>From BPF to Andy Bell... what a leap.
--- lisa.gannon at bt.com wrote:
> Erasure are to video all of their Gigs on their current tour,
> and have them available to buy 10 minutes after the show ends.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net on behalf of sade1
> Sent: Fri 11/03/2005 19:49
> To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing
> Joke (the band!)
> Cc:
> Subject: RE: RE: [kj] bpf
>
>
>
> A friend told me how "some band called The Who(?)"
> videotaped
> their shows(pl.) live on (the last) tour and sold copies of
> each
> show in the lobby afterwards. Now THAT sounds like an idea
> that
> gives the fans what they really want, puts cash in the
> artist's
> -or Jaz Summers'- pockets, and trumps the bootleggahs. Seems
> like what Pearl Jam(godbless'em) did but only with cd.
> Tears for KJ? Not on this one. someone else made them cut
> Mik,
> for they're not stupid enough to think he was positioned to
> cripple things, 'cept someone's Sense of Greed, maybe, to
> take
> Mik's( well-earned, i think)niche from him. I never bought
> one
> from Mik but at L5?! C'mon, that *is* a fuckin' joke, and
> they
> killed it.
>
> Well you stole it 'cause I needed the cash
> and you killed it 'cause I wanted revenge...
> ~~ U2
>
>
>
>
>
> --- ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Rob, you're sounding like a Company Man!! ;)
> >
> > I bought dvds from Mik for ?5 each - do you think he was
> > making a profit?
> > Companies bemoan that
> > boots are being sold & it's actually THEIR fault that the
> > boots sell - if
> > they cannot compete in
> > the market, if they cannot provide the product that people
> > want, someone
> > else will provide said products
> > & the consumers will purchase what they want.
> >
> > Tears for KJ (Oh boohoo, someone sold a bootleg 'cos you
> > haven't released
> > any live recordings since Ha?),
> > this is a b0ll0x argument they're using mate!
> >
> > Like I already said earlier, there's a value to allowing
> > copies to happen &
> > as they're not going to get a single
> > penny from boots ANYWAY, why don't they just let said boots
> > continue to
> > spread the word for them...
> >
> >
> > Ade.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
> > Behalf Of Rob's Arse
> > Sent: 11 March 2005 08:59
> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> > Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf
> >
> >
> > Your'e right Pete, it would have made sense to formalise
> the
> > videos thing
> > but there is much more to it than that.
> >
> > Basically, Mik was shut down because he was selling the
> > stuff. I think
> > Mik's a top fella but can understand the reasoning as it
> > wasn't his stuff to
> > sell. Essentially he was selling studio recordings in the
> form
> > of the videos
> > and it "could" be considered that this would be the same as
> if
> > someone was
> > selling mp3s of the official recordings.
> >
> > Bootleg gigs are slightly different but its a very fine
> > line.
> >
> > The best thing would have been to have git an official
> video
> > /dvd together
> > and then close down Mik.
> >
> > --- "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
> > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:54:18 -0000
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf
> >
> > Do you know the reasoning for the management banning
> Mik's
> > site?
> > He was nt making much money,selling a nominal amount.And
> > there is no
> > official release of these recordings.It would of
> benefited
> > everyone if KJ
> > would of bought Mik on board,Advertised the site as
> official
> > and charged
> > 10
> > quid for a DVD.Everyone a winner.And I hope Mel never
> made
> > an official
> > complaint about money and got Mik shut
> > down.................ooopppsssss Me
> > and my big mouth.
> >
> > PW
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <bernies at ntlworld.com>
> > To: <gathering at misera.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:40 PM
> > Subject: RE: RE: [kj] bpf
> >
> >
> > > No, that's just to do with bootlegging. It's difficult
> to
> > see how Mik's
> > videos would have affected sales of the legitimate
> product
> > but let's not
> > start that discussion again!
> > > jerry
> > > >
> > > > From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> > > > Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 01:20:40 GMT
> > > > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)'"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > > > Subject: RE: RE: [kj] bpf
> > > >
> > > > Cheers for that, j. The business of royalties, et al,
> > has always been
> > > > somewhat confusing to me. Now I get the idea behind
> > publishing -
> > probably
> > > > why Mik Raven was asked to stop selling bootleg vids,
> > etc.
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ade.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> > > > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of
> > bernies at ntlworld.com
> > > > Sent: 10 March 2005 10:47
> > > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > > Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > None of the band probably get any royalties from
> their
> > first ten years
> > of
> > > > record sales. Any royalties earned are used to pay
> back
> > advances,
> > recording
> > > > and marketing costs before the band sees a penny.
> KJ's
> > royalty rate,
> > in
> > > > aggregate, is probably no more than 10% of the price
> the
> > dealer pays
> > for
> > the
> > > > record and I doubt they've recouped what was spent on
> > Outside the
> > Gate,
> > let
> > > > alone the previous six albums.
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure, however, that they've recouped their
> > publishing deal
> > with
> > > > E'G hence they should all be getting royalties from
> > performances,
> > cover
> > > > versions, etc.
> > > >
> > > > I don't suppose they'll ever see a penny from Jaz
> > Summers, though.
> > > >
> > > > Any questions?
> > > > j
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> > > > > Date: 2005/03/08 Tue PM 07:55:53 GMT
> > > > > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > band!)'"
> > > > <gathering at misera.net>
> > > > > Subject: RE: [kj] bpf
> > > > >
> > > > > bpfSo... Mike has morals enough to pay C4B
> royalties
> > to BPF, but is
> > it
> > the
> > > > > case
> > > > > that BPF gets no other royalties? For all those
> > groundbreaking
> > albums
> > he
> > > > > played on & that sound he helped create?
> > > > >
> > > > > Smacks of a lesson learnt from Atkins!!!
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> > > > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
> > > > > Behalf Of mike coles
> > > > > Sent: 08 March 2005 19:32
> > > > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > > > Subject: [kj] bpf
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "As for Wardance, I'm sure Big Paul is still
> getting
> > royalties...:
> > > > >
> > > > > No he isn't.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > oh yes he is...
> > > > > from malicious damage records for chaos for
> breakfast
> > which has two
> > > > > versions of wardance on it
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > colesy
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