[kj] tour videos
lisa.gannon at bt.com
lisa.gannon at bt.com
Mon Mar 14 03:12:17 EST 2005
Erasure are to video all of their Gigs on their current tour, and have them available to buy 10 minutes after the show ends.
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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net on behalf of sade1
Sent: Fri 11/03/2005 19:49
To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Cc:
Subject: RE: RE: [kj] bpf
A friend told me how "some band called The Who(?)" videotaped
their shows(pl.) live on (the last) tour and sold copies of each
show in the lobby afterwards. Now THAT sounds like an idea that
gives the fans what they really want, puts cash in the artist's
-or Jaz Summers'- pockets, and trumps the bootleggahs. Seems
like what Pearl Jam(godbless'em) did but only with cd.
Tears for KJ? Not on this one. someone else made them cut Mik,
for they're not stupid enough to think he was positioned to
cripple things, 'cept someone's Sense of Greed, maybe, to take
Mik's( well-earned, i think)niche from him. I never bought one
from Mik but at L5?! C'mon, that *is* a fuckin' joke, and they
killed it.
Well you stole it 'cause I needed the cash
and you killed it 'cause I wanted revenge...
~~ U2
--- ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Rob, you're sounding like a Company Man!! ;)
>
> I bought dvds from Mik for ?5 each - do you think he was
> making a profit?
> Companies bemoan that
> boots are being sold & it's actually THEIR fault that the
> boots sell - if
> they cannot compete in
> the market, if they cannot provide the product that people
> want, someone
> else will provide said products
> & the consumers will purchase what they want.
>
> Tears for KJ (Oh boohoo, someone sold a bootleg 'cos you
> haven't released
> any live recordings since Ha?),
> this is a b0ll0x argument they're using mate!
>
> Like I already said earlier, there's a value to allowing
> copies to happen &
> as they're not going to get a single
> penny from boots ANYWAY, why don't they just let said boots
> continue to
> spread the word for them...
>
>
> Ade.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
> Behalf Of Rob's Arse
> Sent: 11 March 2005 08:59
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf
>
>
> Your'e right Pete, it would have made sense to formalise the
> videos thing
> but there is much more to it than that.
>
> Basically, Mik was shut down because he was selling the
> stuff. I think
> Mik's a top fella but can understand the reasoning as it
> wasn't his stuff to
> sell. Essentially he was selling studio recordings in the form
> of the videos
> and it "could" be considered that this would be the same as if
> someone was
> selling mp3s of the official recordings.
>
> Bootleg gigs are slightly different but its a very fine
> line.
>
> The best thing would have been to have git an official video
> /dvd together
> and then close down Mik.
>
> --- "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:54:18 -0000
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf
>
> Do you know the reasoning for the management banning Mik's
> site?
> He was nt making much money,selling a nominal amount.And
> there is no
> official release of these recordings.It would of benefited
> everyone if KJ
> would of bought Mik on board,Advertised the site as official
> and charged
> 10
> quid for a DVD.Everyone a winner.And I hope Mel never made
> an official
> complaint about money and got Mik shut
> down.................ooopppsssss Me
> and my big mouth.
>
> PW
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bernies at ntlworld.com>
> To: <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:40 PM
> Subject: RE: RE: [kj] bpf
>
>
> > No, that's just to do with bootlegging. It's difficult to
> see how Mik's
> videos would have affected sales of the legitimate product
> but let's not
> start that discussion again!
> > jerry
> > >
> > > From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> > > Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 01:20:40 GMT
> > > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> > > Subject: RE: RE: [kj] bpf
> > >
> > > Cheers for that, j. The business of royalties, et al,
> has always been
> > > somewhat confusing to me. Now I get the idea behind
> publishing -
> probably
> > > why Mik Raven was asked to stop selling bootleg vids,
> etc.
> > >
> > > Hmmm...
> > >
> > >
> > > ade.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> > > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of
> bernies at ntlworld.com
> > > Sent: 10 March 2005 10:47
> > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf
> > >
> > >
> > > None of the band probably get any royalties from their
> first ten years
> of
> > > record sales. Any royalties earned are used to pay back
> advances,
> recording
> > > and marketing costs before the band sees a penny. KJ's
> royalty rate,
> in
> > > aggregate, is probably no more than 10% of the price the
> dealer pays
> for
> the
> > > record and I doubt they've recouped what was spent on
> Outside the
> Gate,
> let
> > > alone the previous six albums.
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure, however, that they've recouped their
> publishing deal
> with
> > > E'G hence they should all be getting royalties from
> performances,
> cover
> > > versions, etc.
> > >
> > > I don't suppose they'll ever see a penny from Jaz
> Summers, though.
> > >
> > > Any questions?
> > > j
> > > >
> > > > From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> > > > Date: 2005/03/08 Tue PM 07:55:53 GMT
> > > > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)'"
> > > <gathering at misera.net>
> > > > Subject: RE: [kj] bpf
> > > >
> > > > bpfSo... Mike has morals enough to pay C4B royalties
> to BPF, but is
> it
> the
> > > > case
> > > > that BPF gets no other royalties? For all those
> groundbreaking
> albums
> he
> > > > played on & that sound he helped create?
> > > >
> > > > Smacks of a lesson learnt from Atkins!!!
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> > > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
> > > > Behalf Of mike coles
> > > > Sent: 08 March 2005 19:32
> > > > To: gathering at misera.net
> > > > Subject: [kj] bpf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "As for Wardance, I'm sure Big Paul is still getting
> royalties...:
> > > >
> > > > No he isn't.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > oh yes he is...
> > > > from malicious damage records for chaos for breakfast
> which has two
> > > > versions of wardance on it
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > colesy
> > > > --
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