[kj] OT-kentucky zombie terror

[peter.west410]

With Western Police,You know you will not receive a prolonged period of
pain.As you said Arab states are generally safer.....As long as you dont
step out of line.I remember asking a Saudi policeman for directions,He
hauled me in questioned me for half an hour,searched me and tested my bottle
of water to make sure it were nt alcohol.And I only asked for directions.So
on the surface it seems safe, but there is an undercurrent of fear.Step out
of line or say the wrong thing and the consequences are  severe.And you
really live in fear of the Saudi Religious Police ,They are governed by the
rules of Allah and are therefore untouchable.As you said"What do you do with
people who arnt afraid to die"How about making them afraid to live.(Jesus H
Christ,Im sounding like a fuggin psycho.....Im not)
     I just wondered how you saw your position as a door-man,Surely this is
the same kind of way of controlling people,through the fear of violence.Well
not specifically you,But bouncers in general.

      PW



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From: "iPat" <pmdavies at gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-kentucky zombie terror


> when you live in arab states you do feel safe. Now whether this comes
> down to the hand chopping or regular floggings in their corporal
> punishment philosophy i wouldnt know.
> As a youngster we watched the crowds flock to a mosque who went to
> witness the flogging of a rapist. Public humiliation, religious
> humiliation and pain including incarceration may do the job but the
> question is whether you condone fear for control purposes. To me it
> doesnt matter who is in charge as if they control through the use of
> fear and force then they are the same. It doesnt matter whether it was
> Kerry or Bush as the institution would still be there, draining
> resources for their own benefit.
>
> Now as others have said, there isnt proof that torture works. I once
> said the biggest lies in a cell in sunny suffolk after i received a
> hiding from the friendly boys on the beat. Community policing a front
> for low level torture. Seems to me though if someone isnt afraid of
> dying, why would they crumble to fear?
>
> The miners strike showed us in this country that you cant trust the
> media either when they became instruments of the state in controling
> public perception. Orgreave being the case in principle. ITN distorted
> the events of a protest that turned public opinion against the strike.
>
> The miners strike also taught me that the politcs of convenience is
> very much alive. How many of the middle class who went out and jolly
> well waved those cards against the war are still playing on the stock
> exchange, investing in the very machine that demands the war and gains
> from the profits it makes? what do you think makes the pension trust
> grow?
>
> But i was able to spend time with people i didnt know for a short
> period whos only common connection was a liking for a band. Now thats
> what makes life living. People getting on regardless of anything
> really.
>
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:17:07 -0000, peter.west410
> <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Although i don't agree with torture,Until they find another way of
making
> > people tell the truth,Then i don't see any other option.
> >    Take the Guantanamo bay prisoners,These are a hard-line ,well trained
> > fighting force.They have lived a brutal existence,where a victorious
death
> > is always "just around the corner".They have been trained to give false
> > information,indeed the US military even found it difficult finding out
these
> > peoples real names,As they gave a different one everytime.
> >    Take "Abu Hamza" for example,He is currently in jail in England and
> > wanted  the USA for terror charges,He fought against the Russians with
the
> > Mujahadeen and lost one eye and an arm.He says absolutely nothing and
> > refuses to attend court,He just sits there with his two fingers
> > raised,laughing at our soft ways.Say if someone like ipat walked in
there
> > and started heating up a red-hot poker and asked him to bend over,Then
Im
> > sure Abu-Hamza would "prefer" to attend court.
> >     We are dealing with a tough bunch of people,Where torture is part of
> > the law & order process,If they get arrested  by their own police,They
> > realise that if they don't co-operate then they are in for some
treatment
> > ,So I just see it as a continuation of their ways.
> >   I have actually seen someone just after they ve been chained up and
> > whipped.And when you hear the screams,It really does make you be more
> > co-operative and respectful.
> >  PW
> >
> > (Officially ending "The honeymoon period ":-))))))
>
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