[kj] Money is Not Our God!

Thu Jan 13 10:31:00 EST 2005

Do humans really need money?

 --- melinda grant <hollytree1961 at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> mark,hi...i hear where you are coming from,n agree
> that k.js behavuor of 
> late,has been totally uncharaistic to there usual
> prinsipal......may be 
> through some of these stranger than fiction recent
> moves of 
> theres...supporting m.crew.....may arise the
> opportunity for the joke to 
> bring 4th not only a new album/but may be,n,i am
> strongly hoping,a tour of 
> there own/plus clearing the decks  where debt is
> concerned...cheers..mel     
> ps,i have been into k.j. since 79,n have also braved
> all weathers to see em 
> over the yrs....so i understand.
> 
> >From: Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
> (the band!)" 
> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)" 
> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >Subject: Re: [kj] TIME TO SAY GOODBYE....reconsider
> maybe for mel and rob
> >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:52:33 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >hi mel
> >
> >sure i need money, i'm self employed so maybe
> that's why i feel so very 
> >strongly about colesy, i don't know everyones age,
> but i DID sleep on 
> >railway stations etc all through to see KJ, when we
> couldn't scam lifts etc 
> >from 80 through to 85, so i think i've given them a
> chance, i also had life 
> >easy from then on, passed me driving test l;ate 64,
> got me first car so on 
> >the nighttime tour i slept in the luxury of a ford
> escort.
> >but hey, i  loved this band, no band ever touched
> me like kj did, but this 
> >latest spate of actions baffles and angers me, and
> we all, as gatherers, 
> >are entitled to opinions
> >i'm glad i got everyone talking anyway, oh and
> here's a question for rob:
> >you mentioned a flow of information as one of your
> points rob, and fair 
> >enough...but hasn't that flow been dictatorial
> rather than informative 
> >since the 25th anni shows were announced?
> >
> >just a thaught
> >
> >cheers
> >
> >mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >melinda grant <hollytree1961 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >rob..your a wise old man in the
> moon......mel==refuring to the logical/n
> >practical reasons why its kinda sensible for j.k to
> do 5 gigs with the
> >m.crew......ps,mark/give the joke a chance,they are
> only human,n need money
> >like we all do...
> >
> > >From: Rob's Arse
> > >Reply-To: joker at Z6.com,"A list about all things
> Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > >
> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)"
> > >,gathering at misera.net
> > >Subject: Re: [kj] TIME TO SAY GOODBYE
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:24:40 -0800 (PST)
> > >
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> >Don't go Mark.
> >
> >Let's put some perspective on this.
> >
> >Killing Joke have never really sold enough records
> to make a decent living 
> >for the band. Jaz does OK on his stuff, Youth does
> Ok on production. Raven 
> >and Geordie don't get much I guess. Killing Joke
> still owe loads of money 
> >out there!
> >
> >So someone offers you 5 gigs at Â£20K per gig
> (fact). Â£100K for 5 days 
> >work.
> >
> >That puts food on the table, buys the kids
> birthday/Christmas presents, 
> >also helps cover some costs and means that, yes,
> this thing called Killing 
> >Joke is worth doing. Sell your arse for 5 days so
> that you can go out and 
> >do what you want to do i.e. make a new album, do a
> tour etc. Â£100K is not 
> >much in "rock 'n' roll".  Whereas money is not
> everthing, it is important 
> >to survive. The problem is, when you sing "Money is
> not our God" or some 
> >such, you do actually leave yourself wide open for
> criticism. Let's be 
> >honest, Killing Joke are not motivated by money
> alone. You know it in your 
> >hearts.
> >
> >As for the merchandise thing, there could be a
> reasonable explaination. The 
> >problem is that no-one has bothered to explain
> anything. So we see it one 
> >way, they see it another, no-one from Killing Joke
> has given their side of 
> >the story - and they don't have to either, it's not
> our business, it's just 
> >very unfortunate for Mike that it has been handled
> in a very poor manner 
> >which has put him in a very tricky position. Mike
> HAS to give an 
> >explaination as to why he cannot sell any longer.
> That's why we know - it's 
> >not Mikes fault.
> >
> >The thing is that this is a great place to be and
> we are very lucky to have 
> >such close contact to the band, so we hunger for
> more and we get to see the 
> >politics and the mechanics that goes on in every
> band, behind the scenes, 
> >day in day out. Only we don't know. And what you
> don't know can't harm you 
> >(or so they say).
> >
> >The only thing that Killing Joke owe us is another
> decent album. and let's 
> >hope that's soon. You cannot stay "pure" for 25
> years. When you are 18 you 
> >think very differently. If you don't adapt, you die
> and thank fuck that 
> >Killing Joke have adapted to their surroundings
> over the years!
> >
> >Stick around Mark. If you go, Peter will pick on
> someone else!
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >From: Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk>
> >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:47:23 +0000 (GMT)
> >To: gathering at misera.net
> >Subject: [kj] TIME TO SAY GOODBYE
> >
> >
> >With a band aligning itself with Motley Crue and
> away from Colesy, 
> >somethings gone wrong with a group of people who's
> idealism i agreed with 
> >and followed for all 25 of its years,
> >with a heavy heart and a thanks for the memory, I'm
> off,
> >Colesy's generosity towards Jester says what we all
> are as gatherers
> >The bands actions say what they've become
> >As Jaz used to say on stage
> >"We are the final attitude - the Killing Joke"
> >Well for me at least, this lot is the final action,
> long live MALICIOUS 
> >DAMAGE, I'll be buying more shortly, Colesy,
> >Goodbye Killing Joke, sack your new management
> before they destroy you, 
> >reminds me of 21 years ago and the shit with Adam
> and the Ants all this 
> >behaviour
> >only one diference
> 
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