[kj] TIME TO SAY GOODBYE....reconsider maybe for mel and rob

Thu Jan 13 07:52:33 EST 2005

hi mel

sure i need money, i'm self employed so maybe that's why i feel so very strongly about colesy, i don't know everyones age, but i DID sleep on railway stations etc all through to see KJ, when we couldn't scam lifts etc from 80 through to 85, so i think i've given them a chance, i also had life easy from then on, passed me driving test l;ate 64, got me first car so on the nighttime tour i slept in the luxury of a ford escort.
but hey, i  loved this band, no band ever touched me like kj did, but this latest spate of actions baffles and angers me, and we all, as gatherers, are entitled to opinions
i'm glad i got everyone talking anyway, oh and here's a question for rob:
you mentioned a flow of information as one of your points rob, and fair enough...but hasn't that flow been dictatorial rather than informative since the 25th anni shows were announced?

just a thaught

cheers

mark

melinda grant <hollytree1961 at hotmail.com> wrote:
rob..your a wise old man in the moon......mel==refuring to the logical/n 
practical reasons why its kinda sensible for j.k to do 5 gigs with the 
m.crew......ps,mark/give the joke a chance,they are only human,n need money 
like we all do...

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Don't go Mark.

Let's put some perspective on this. 

Killing Joke have never really sold enough records to make a decent living for the band. Jaz does OK on his stuff, Youth does Ok on production. Raven and Geordie don't get much I guess. Killing Joke still owe loads of money out there!

So someone offers you 5 gigs at Â£20K per gig (fact). Â£100K for 5 days work.

That puts food on the table, buys the kids birthday/Christmas presents, also helps cover some costs and means that, yes, this thing called Killing Joke is worth doing. Sell your arse for 5 days so that you can go out and do what you want to do i.e. make a new album, do a tour etc. Â£100K is not much in "rock 'n' roll".  Whereas money is not everthing, it is important to survive. The problem is, when you sing "Money is not our God" or some such, you do actually leave yourself wide open for criticism. Let's be honest, Killing Joke are not motivated by money alone. You know it in your hearts.

As for the merchandise thing, there could be a reasonable explaination. The problem is that no-one has bothered to explain anything. So we see it one way, they see it another, no-one from Killing Joke has given their side of the story - and they don't have to either, it's not our business, it's just very unfortunate for Mike that it has been handled in a very poor manner which has put him in a very tricky position. Mike HAS to give an explaination as to why he cannot sell any longer. That's why we know - it's not Mikes fault.

The thing is that this is a great place to be and we are very lucky to have such close contact to the band, so we hunger for more and we get to see the politics and the mechanics that goes on in every band, behind the scenes, day in day out. Only we don't know. And what you don't know can't harm you (or so they say).

The only thing that Killing Joke owe us is another decent album. and let's hope that's soon. You cannot stay "pure" for 25 years. When you are 18 you think very differently. If you don't adapt, you die and thank fuck that Killing Joke have adapted to their surroundings over the years!

Stick around Mark. If you go, Peter will pick on someone else!

--- Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: Mark G Holt <akillingjoker at yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:47:23 +0000 (GMT)
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: [kj] TIME TO SAY GOODBYE

With a band aligning itself with Motley Crue and away from Colesy, somethings gone wrong with a group of people who's idealism i agreed with and followed for all 25 of its years,
with a heavy heart and a thanks for the memory, I'm off, 
Colesy's generosity towards Jester says what we all are as gatherers
The bands actions say what they've become
As Jaz used to say on stage
"We are the final attitude - the Killing Joke"
Well for me at least, this lot is the final action, long live MALICIOUS DAMAGE, I'll be buying more shortly, Colesy, 
Goodbye Killing Joke, sack your new management before they destroy you, reminds me of 21 years ago and the shit with Adam and the Ants all this behaviour
only one diference
Adam could write Pop songs
Jaz wrote his on Nighttime
that was 20 years ago

I'll be keeping in touch with Jamie and Marc and Bob and of course Colesy offlist.

Goodbye all
Get well Jester
Take care Alex and Cliff
See you Peter

Wonder if Killing Joke ever read this list?
or are they now THAT out of touch

I believe its the latter.

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