[kj] OT: Oddly Enough

[dub]

I was always told that the legend/myth of Tír na nÓg (Land of the Young),
some way relates to fact that Atlantis, was somewhere off the coast of
Ireland.
Another legend/myth was that of Hy Brasil, an island off the west coast of
Ireland that only appeared every 7 years, but disappeared if approached or
one died if they seen it.
As I say both these are legends or myths, but every legend has it's basis in
fact somewhere?

If interested in that sort of thing
http://www.cyberfae.com/library/fairyfaith/ffcc260.html 

>From the above site:
More frequently, in the old Irish manuscripts, the Celtic Otherworid was
located in the midst of the Western Ocean, as though it were the ‘double’ of
the lost Atlantis ; (1) and Manannan Mac Lir, the Son of the Sea — perhaps
himself the ‘double’ of an ancient Atlantean king — was one of the divine
rulers of its fairy inhabitants, and his palace, for he was one of the
Tuatha De Danann, was there rather than in Ireland; and when he travelled
between the two countries it was in a magic chariot drawn by horses who
moved over the sea-waves as on land. And fairy women came from that
mid-Atlantic world in magic boats like spirit boats, to charm away such
mortal men as in their love they chose, or else to take great Arthur wounded
unto death. And in that island world there was neither death nor pain nor

(1) One of the commonest legends among all Celtic peoples is about some lost
city like the Breton Is, or some lost land or island (cf. Rhys, Arth. Leg.,
c. xv, and Celtic Folk-Lore, c. vii); and we can be quite sure that if, as
some scientists now begin to think (cf. Batella, Pruebas geologicas de la
existencia de Ia Atlantida, in Congreso internacional de Americanistas, iv.,
Madrid, 1882; also Meyers, Grosses Konversations-Lexikon, ii. 44, Leipzig
and Wien, 1903) Atlantis once existed, its disappearance must have left from
a prehistoric epoch a deep impress on folk-memory. But the Other-world idea
being in essence animistic is not to be regarded, save from a superficial
point of view, as conceivably having had its origin in a lost Atlantis. The
real evolutionary process, granting the disappearance of this island
continent, would seem rather to have been one of localizing and
anthropomorphosing very primitive Aryan and pre-Aryan beliefs about a
heaven-world, such as have been current among almost all races of mankind in
all stages of culture, throughout the two Americas and Polynesia as well as
throughout Europe, Asia, and Africa. (Cf. Tylor, Prim. Cult., ii. 62, 48,
&c.)

dub



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Patrick Davies wrote:

> I was under the impression it was in the atlantic and that the island 
> of Thule was close to Iceland. Maybe it was just me. Im sure some on 
> this list can put the theory better than I.

I've met people who swore it was Ireland. Which would make me an Atlantiean.

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