[kj] OT: Pirating of new U2 release

Wed Nov 10 09:22:38 EST 2004

In all fairness, I've *NEVER* detected an Irish accent (outside of the  
live chatter on UNDER A BLOOD RED SKY) on any U2 recordings.

Moreover, they *ARE* Irish, Peter. Perhaps they can't help it?

In terms of flagrant accent-affecting, I'd sooner aim my crossbow at  
Bowie and...dare I suggest it...our Jaz, both of whom turn it on and  
off as the need presents itself

Regarding playing Killing Joke for your grandmother, NIGHTTIME was  
certainly more welcomed by the rest of my family in my adolescent home  
than, say, DAMAGED by Black Flag, METAL BOX by PiL  and/or AT WAR WITH  
SATAN by Venom (or any of the other willfully dissonant crap I was  
listening to at the time). Part of Killing Joke's appeal was the  
accomplished, elegiac quality to their music....even at their most  
ferocious.

Side note: while feeding my seven month old daughter just now, the  
radio station (Q104) played "Point of No Return" by Kansas, the  
oft-Gathering-discussed "Come as You Are" by Nirvana, "Breakfast in  
America" by Supertramp and "Captain Jack" by fucking Billy Joel in  
succession. It's amazing how Nirvana -- once considered a breath of  
fresh air to some -- have been so yawnsomely subsumed by somnambulistic  
mainstream classic rock radio. Kurt must be rolling in his urn.

Alex in NYC

On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, at 04:55 AM, peter.west410 wrote:

> "To me it's a weak argument to say U2 is bad because your mother could  
> like
> it (your mother could also like Killing Joke -circa Night Time or  
> BTATS-)".
>
>
> Family gathering and granny,I said:
>
>   When I first got "Nightime", I went up to my bedroom and stuck it
> on..............Only to have too go downstairs a few minutes later to
> declare"It's not me making those heavy breathing sounds mum,It's my new
> record" I bought my first pair of headphones shortly afterwards(about  
> 30
> minutes later;-)
>     What I dislike most about U2 is their song "New years day",For  
> about 10
> consecutive years,Wherever I was at 2 mins past midnight on Jan 1
> st..............................Guitar ,guitar ,guitar.......Then Bonos
> squeaky patronising Irish accented wine arose....."All is quiet on new  
> years
> day"..............What I mean is every new years day Everyone plays  
> that
> bloody song.....ruins my whole year.
>      And he emphasizes his Irish accent when hes singing,As too say"Im  
> a
> poor oirish guy,The English nicked all our potatoes 500 years ago,I  
> came
> through all the troubles and riots,That's why I play loud music" kind  
> of
> thing .
>     And when he goes on about"I can see seven towers and only one way
> out",He was talking about an estate in his hometown................But  
> he
> did nt actually live on the estate,He lived in a nice Semi in a  
> comfortable
> part of town.
>     Working-class wannabees(Just like The Clash were)
>            PW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Javier Garcia" <jagargal at lycos.com>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Pirating of new U2 release
>
>
> I second Saul, although 'Achtung Baby' is better, imho 'Zooropa' was  
> their
> last good album. Before that i liked every single album they
> released -instead of Rattle & Hum- wich have great tunes, but I don't  
> see it
> as solid as their previous work 'R&H' goes from very good to very
> wrong!(After all it was some kind of experiment/off the record album).
> I have to admit i was always a U2 follower, maybe not a big fan but a  
> loyal
> follower. I even tried to dig 'Pop' and 'All that you can't leave  
> behind'
> but didn't got it... some very few nice tunes, that's all.
> U2 did amazing music in the eighties, they used to have a true powerful
> sound, even in their softer songs. Songs like "The Ocean", "Out of  
> Control",
> "Wire"(what a great song!), "Bullet the Blue Sky", even "New Years  
> Day" and
> "Pride" just to name a few are pretty powerful songs.
> I can even see some conexion between the early albums of U2 and New  
> Model
> Army... it's like their songs have a very similar spirit.
>
> To me it's a weak argument to say U2 is bad because your mother could  
> like
> it (your mother could also like Killing Joke -circa Night Time or  
> BTATS-).
>
> Agree Bono and his rockstar-diva attitude sucks most of the time, but  
> still
> he uses his fame to help some pro-human beneffit asociations... not  
> all rock
> stars make this, and if we are talking about an
> egomaniac-super-rock-pop-star that's something to say. Sadly now U2 has
> become what Rob said... a perfect Pop band (yawn).
>
> My two pesos
>
> Javier
> mex city rocker
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
>
>>
>>   I think their quality work extended into "Zooropa," musically
>> and lyrically.
>>
>> --- Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I think U2 stopped being "relevant" (whatever that means)
>>> after ACHTUNG BABY
>>
>>>  they've long since stopped making music that "mattered".
>>
>>
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