[kj] review of new tunes
fluw
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nicholas,
you're right i am a fan of the what's this for, revelations, fire =
dances, night time, era more than say pandemonium or any of the metal =
leanings killing joke has, i know you don't expect it to sound like the =
early stuff...but this record definitely has more in common with exdirt =
(a borrowed bridge), pandemonium (general style) and the first record =
(stripped down meter oriented riffing) than any of the prime 81-85 =
stuff.
the guitar tone on this record is of the one dimensional type in =
comparison. not much of the bells of horror and grace, or howling =
harmonics, or throaty longing wails of a four story prehistoric beast =
looking for a mate - the licks rarely go anywhere near the complexities =
of that said 'prime' era or even democracy for that matter. geordie does =
show some yummy new sounds and styles on this record but overall his =
playing is more interesting from a meter perspective.
and the drums ? well, they are excellent, great tones, crisp playing and =
state of the hard rock art, yet they mirror the guitar and follow the =
guitar as if that is all he had in his head phones. the skins show signs =
of invention grounded in very clever technique, not one trying to take =
the listener to another reality like big paul does.
this a record that was created by pros tracking at different times and =
never having had the alchemical stirring exchange of ideas, that is =
obvious.
this will be a good record live, it will be fun to pit to. but i have my =
reservations about whether it will get as much play on my stereo come =
2005 as say fire dances does. =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: nicholas fitzpatrick=20
To: gathering@misera.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] review of new tunes
Well, speaking as someone who's not heard a single note of any of the =
new=20
stuff yet (including Loose cannon) I find your review very comforting. =
This=20
is particularly the case as - I think - you are a bit of a =
'Revelations/Fire=20
Dances' Joker like me rather than a 'Pandemonium/Dirt...' one. (Don't =
know=20
why I think this - must be something you said once). It's not that I'm =
expecting KJ2 to sound anything like the early stuff though.
I never really liked 'Dirt...' (I'm not a Metaler) and although =
Pandemonium=20
is good and has its great moments, I've been waiting for years for KJ =
to=20
deliver something that has the 'F- me factor', as John Peel would say. =
Going=20
by what most people seem to be saying on the Gathering, this is it!.
>From: "fluw" <fluwdot@earthlink.net>
>Subject: [kj] review of new tunes
>must start off by stating that technically, from the musicians and =
the=20
>production, so far this record is nothing short of flawless=20
>but................
>
>ok:
>
>loose cannon - very well executed rhythmically, menacing even,,,, =
yet=20
>rather unimaginative until the little bridge bit gives it a whole =
other=20
>feeling, which was very very nice but not quite enough to save it. =
although=20
>with some cornrows, "vibe magazine" style scowl and strut, it could =
be a=20
>hit? not!
>
>td&rs - sucks gooey donkey knob until the chorus, which is monstrous=20
>verging on tremendous. still not quite
>
>asteroid - kinda fun, once. this is filler, plain and simple. would =
be the=20
>best tune on a ministry album but considering it is killing joke this =
is=20
>pure crap. absolute toss
>
>seeing red - a really good tune! exciting, with energy, vitality and =
a=20
>great bridge via extremties, yet a total fuck off for the blink 182 =
type=20
>guitar tone on the verse and an ending that goes flat. (damn)
>
>implant - is a whole song ..it resolves and sounds like a band who =
worked=20
>together to come up with something as opposed to professionals doing =
their=20
>job very well.
>
>zennon - wow ! fucking hell! where did that come from? a classic, =
tone,=20
>riffs, sounds, arrangements and the ghost of hooky. that's two =
'whole'=20
>songs so far
>
>dark forces - has nice space, great drums, production, killer bass =
grooves=20
>and some welcome orchestration ( very slight hints of symphonic =
killing=20
>joke maybe in the future). vocals are original and interesting. epic =
tune=20
>almost
>
>total invasion - wow! sad but true sample of the middle class college =
non=20
>comittal pseudo activist chicky. great vocals, great lyrics, very=20
>effective. this song is what pandemonium could have been with a =
youthless=20
>production. chorus has hints of classic geordie, ringing power riffs, =
minus=20
>the tone of course. sounds like geordie had a filter in the signal =
path=20
>very cool...an electric mistress maybe?,,,wah set to position?
>
>the score so far: 5 killer songs, 2 gallant near misses &
>1 complete tosser
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>"I must Create a System or be enslav'd by another Man's.
>I will not Reason & Compare: my business is to Create."
>-William Blake
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>nicholas,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>you're right i am a fan of the what's this for, =
revelations,=20
fire dances, night time, era more than say pandemonium or any of =
the metal=20
leanings killing joke has, i know you don't expect it to =
sound=20
like the early stuff...but this record definitely has more in =
common with=20
exdirt (a borrowed bridge), pandemonium (general style) and the =
first=20
record (stripped down meter oriented riffing) than any of =
the=20
prime 81-85 stuff.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>the guitar tone on this record is of the one=20
dimensional type in comparison. not much of the bells of horror and =
grace,=20
or howling harmonics, or throaty longing wails of a four story =
prehistoric=20
beast looking for a mate - the licks rarely go anywhere=20
near the complexities of that said 'prime' era or even =
democracy for=20
that matter. geordie does show some yummy new sounds and styles on=20
this record but overall his playing is more =
interesting=20
from a meter perspective.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>and the drums ? well, they are excellent, great =
tones, crisp=20
playing and state of the hard rock art, yet they mirror =
the=20
guitar and follow the guitar as if that is all he had in his =
head=20
phones. the skins show signs of invention grounded =
in very=20
clever technique, not one trying to take the listener to another reality =
like=20
big paul does.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>this a record that was created by pros =
tracking at=20
different times and never having had the alchemical stirring exchange of =
ideas,=20
that is obvious.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>this will be a good record live, it will be fun =
to pit=20
to. but i have my reservations about whether it will get as much play on =
my=20
stereo come 2005 as say fire=20
dances does. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 25, 2003 =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kj] review of new =
tunes</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><BR>Well, speaking as someone who's not heard a =
single note=20
of any of the new <BR>stuff yet (including Loose cannon) I find your =
review=20
very comforting. This <BR>is particularly the case as - I think - you =
are a=20
bit of a 'Revelations/Fire <BR>Dances' Joker like me rather than a=20
'Pandemonium/Dirt...' one. (Don't know <BR>why I think this - must be=20
something you said once). It's not that I'm <BR>expecting KJ2 to sound =
anything like the early stuff though.<BR><BR>I never really liked =
'Dirt...'=20
(I'm not a Metaler) and although Pandemonium <BR>is good and has its =
great=20
moments, I've been waiting for years for KJ to <BR>deliver something =
that has=20
the 'F- me factor', as John Peel would say. Going <BR>by what most =
people seem=20
to be saying on the Gathering, this is it!.<BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: =
"fluw"=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:fluwdot@earthlink.net">fluwdot@earthlink.net</A>><BR><B=
R>>Subject:=20
[kj] review of new tunes<BR><BR>>must start off by stating that=20
technically, from the musicians and the <BR>>production, so far =
this record=20
is nothing short of flawless=20
<BR>>but................<BR>><BR>>ok:<BR>><BR>>loose =
cannon -=20
very well executed rhythmically, menacing even,,,, yet =
<BR>>rather=20
unimaginative until the little bridge bit gives it a whole other=20
<BR>>feeling, which was very very nice but not quite enough to save =
it.=20
although <BR>>with some cornrows, "vibe magazine" style scowl and =
strut, it=20
could be a <BR>>hit? not!<BR>><BR>>td&rs - sucks gooey =
donkey=20
knob until the chorus, which is monstrous <BR>>verging on =
tremendous. still=20
not quite<BR>><BR>>asteroid - kinda fun, once. this is =
filler,=20
plain and simple. would be the <BR>>best tune on a ministry album =
but=20
considering it is killing joke this is <BR>>pure crap. absolute=20
toss<BR>><BR>>seeing red - a really good tune! exciting, =
with=20
energy, vitality and a <BR>>great bridge via extremties, yet a =
total fuck=20
off for the blink 182 type <BR>>guitar tone on the verse and an =
ending that=20
goes flat. (damn)<BR>><BR>>implant - is a whole song ..it =
resolves and=20
sounds like a band who worked <BR>>together to come up with =
something as=20
opposed to professionals doing their <BR>>job very=20
well.<BR>><BR>>zennon - wow ! fucking hell! where did that come =
from? a=20
classic, tone, <BR>>riffs, sounds, arrangements and the ghost of =
hooky.=20
that's two 'whole' <BR>>songs so far<BR>><BR>>dark forces - =
has nice=20
space, great drums, production, killer bass grooves <BR>>and some =
welcome=20
orchestration ( very slight hints of symphonic killing <BR>>joke =
maybe in=20
the future). vocals are original and interesting. epic tune=20
<BR>>almost<BR>><BR>>total invasion - wow! sad but true =
sample of the=20
middle class college non <BR>>comittal pseudo activist chicky. =
great=20
vocals, great lyrics, very <BR>>effective. this song is what =
pandemonium=20
could have been with a youthless <BR>>production. chorus has hints =
of=20
classic geordie, ringing power riffs, minus <BR>>the tone of =
course. sounds=20
like geordie had a filter in the signal path <BR>>very cool...an =
electric=20
mistress maybe?,,,wah set to position?<BR>><BR>>the score so =
far: 5=20
killer songs, 2 gallant near misses &<BR>>1 complete=20
=
tosser<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR=
>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>"I=20
must Create a System or be enslav'd by another Man's.<BR>>I will =
not Reason=20
& Compare: my business is to Create."<BR>>-William=20
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