OK it's here http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/ "0840 Classical music is dying and needs to learn lessons from rock music. So says one new composer who's got a record in both the classical and the pop charts this week. Mark Coles reports.." irritatingly Real player won't work for me so I don't know if it's Jaz or not but who else could it be?