[kj] OT: Are we still talking about KILLING JOKE here?

[Cliff and Kara Livingston]

K I L L I N G
J O K E

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "culture.virus" <culturevirus@mindspring.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Are we still talking about Evanescence here?


> So were you actually going to respond with a reasoned defense of why your
> statement was not prejudiced or were you just going to play some sort of
> passive aggressive ad hominem game. Or have you decided that since I once
> self identified as evangelical that I am obviously below you and am not
> capable of seeing things in a objective light? Simply reinforcing an air
of
> prejudice with the comment below may just be a wind-up but if not then
> would you please explain why you are not prejudiced towards people of a
> particular faith?
>
> At 02:34 PM 12/20/03, you wrote:
>
> >" And as a former evangelical Xian myself..."
> >
> >
> >Ah, there we go then. That explains it.
> >
> >Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> >On Saturday, December 20, 2003, at 03:18 PM, culture.virus wrote:
> >
> >>That may be Greg, but that's not what was said. The statement was that
> >>the music was by Xians and therefore moot. Evanescence's music is not of
> >>the bible-thumping/converting variety. In fact their label pulled their
> >>records from the shelves of Xian bookstores because they are something
of
> >>an anathema to that particular part of the Xian subculture. And as a
> >>former evangelical Xian myself I'm well aware of the subculture and
> >>it's  thought patterns. I also know that there are hundreds of bands in
> >>that genre who just want to make the best music they can while not
> >>betraying firmly held religious beliefs. Their music may reflect their
> >>beliefs, but they don't have conversion as their primary focus.
> >>
> >>I also want to reiterate what I was saying before, if it's only music by
> >>Xian's that is automatically bad, that is a prejudical statement. I've
> >>never heard this list tolerate prejudice in any form and for any off
> >>color remarks. Recently in the whole Peter West fiasco somebody used the
> >>term "ragheads" to describe Islamic people and was roundly chastised.
Two
> >>days ago bluceree (and others in the past) called Xians "god-botherers"
> >>and not an eyebrow raised. It's really sad and laughable at the same.
The
> >>one thing that won't be tolerated is intolerance. Isn't that what you
said?
> >>
> >>At 09:21 PM 12/19/03, you wrote:
> >>>I think the reference to Christian music was specifically to Christian
> >>>rock, the bible-thumping purist kind that has as its only goal the
> >>>conversion of everyone to Christianity. Their listeners often listen to
> >>>no other music, for fear of being sinners. By the way, religious reggae
> >>>music is usually Rastifarian, which is a different religion that
> >>>Christianity (although it has aspect of it, as well as Judaism). I
don't
> >>>think it's prejudiced to criticize a type of music that is only bent on
> >>>converting people, and tends to have listeners that are intolerant of
> >>>others (such as gays and atheists).
> >>
> >>I am culturevirus
>
> I am culturevirus
>
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