[kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Pagan
gathering@misera.net
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Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03*hikes up many layers of black velvet and =
fishnet and curtseys as far as the corset will let her*
Cheers, Alex!
Claire
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Alex Smith=20
To: gathering@misera.net ; gathering@misera.net=20
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Claire just summed up the point I was ineloquently attempting to make =
with more panache, style and credibility than I could ever muster. Well =
done, lass!
Alex in NYC
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From: "Pagan" <scotgothwitch@btinternet.com>
To: <gathering@misera.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 1:47 PM
The music industry and magazines like Kerrang telling the "spooky =
kids" that such bands are Goth. That's why.
=20
In the past few days I have been involved in an online "discussion" =
with 2 "Goths" who have told me that Metallica, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit =
and Nirvana are/were Goth bands!
=20
We also had the misfortune of DJing at an under 18's Metal and Goth =
night recently. I was asked to play old Goth specifically and Craig was =
asked to play "Real Metal". I really didn't see much point in playing =
old Goth as most of the kids there (average age of about 16) wouldn't =
know a lot of it but as this was what the organiser wanted, I played a =
fairly safe, well known set. The kind of tracks they might have heard =
on some of the compilations doing the rounds but it was a waste of time. =
One wee lassie who was gothed up to the nines complained during =
Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their being no real metal.
=20
We tried everything in the end - Killing Joke, Turbonegro, Sisters =
of Mercy, NIN, The Mission, FOTN, Die Krupps, Clan of Xymox, Cubanate =
etc but they weren't interested. According to them, it wasn't metal or =
Goth. They wanted bands like System of a Down and other bands that we =
hadn't even heard of like The Kidney Thieves, Colin's Collar 67 etc =
(although it did make me feel better that neither the resident DJ or my =
wee brother had even heard of the last two)!
=20
Even the resident DJ, who runs his own Goth & Metal night in another =
part of Scotland, hadn't heard or heard of Alice by SoM (and no Bo, I =
didn't play the disco version)!
=20
The kids seem to think that because they wear black, they must be =
Goths therefore the music they listen to must be Goth too. Then =
magazines come out and push a lot of the bands they listen to as Goth =
and their thoughts are confirmed.
=20
All I can say is that when these kids turn 18 and start coming out =
to the main Goth/Industrial/EBM clubs they're going to be in for one =
hell of a shock.
=20
Claire
=20
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From: ade <mailto:ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> =20
To: gathering@misera.net <mailto:gathering@misera.net> =20
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Why do they get the 'goff' tag too? Unimaginitive music-industry =
antics, that's why. Shit band, shit singers - SHIT!!! I understand that =
teens may not know a thing about GOOD bands (weren't even born then, =
etc, etc) & that's not their fault, but sometimes I despair... all we =
can do is spread the word on good bands.
=20
To be fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing =
Gristle fan ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net =
[mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester
Sent: 18 December 2003 22:12
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
I agree, and I do recognize the fact that you need things that =
suck to have things that kick ass. But do they have to suck to the very =
depths of THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into it. I =
just sit back, shake my head and think, I just don't fucking get what is =
good about this.
Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision aside, the =
girl has a fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a =
pleasure to listen to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than =
Edie Brickell.
On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade" <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest & just call =
themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the idea.
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net =
[mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] <mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]> =
On Behalf Of Jester
Sent: 18 December 2003 21:56
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those tossers keep =
on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further =
torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell!
On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
=20
How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder =
no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway.
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From: gathering-admin@misera.net =
[mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net] <mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]> =
On Behalf Of bluce ree
Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
=20
yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ =
dont follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad =
formula!
Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote: =20
=20
Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard from =
people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw =
through their fa=E7ade.
On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" <bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> =
wrote:
=20
=20
what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth metallers =
with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. =20
Will E Scheipers <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote: =20
=20
=20
Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's radio songs all =
have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't get it =
either.....
=20
From,
Will
=20
17) Most overrated music of the year:
My wife has been listening to Evanesance or something like that, =
a lot. I just don't get it...
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*hikes up many layers of black velvet =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers, Alex!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Claire</FONT></DIV>
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`03</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Claire just summed up the point I was ineloquently=20
attempting to make with more panache, style and credibility than I =
could ever=20
muster. Well done, lass!<BR><BR>Alex in =
NYC<BR><BR><BR><BR>----------<BR>From:=20
"Pagan" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scotgothwitch@btinternet.com">scotgothwitch@btinternet.com=
</A>><BR>To:=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:gathering@misera.net">gathering@misera.net</A>><BR>Subj=
ect:=20
Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03<BR>Date: Fri, Dec 19, 2003, 1:47 =
PM<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2>The music industry and magazines like =
Kerrang=20
telling the "spooky kids" that such bands are Goth. That's=20
why.<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>In the past few days I have =
been=20
involved in an online "discussion" with 2 "Goths" who have told me =
that=20
Metallica, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit and Nirvana are/were Goth=20
bands!<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>We also had the misfortune =
of DJing=20
at an under 18's Metal and Goth night recently. I was asked to =
play=20
old Goth specifically and Craig was asked to play "Real Metal". =
I=20
really didn't see much point in playing old Goth as most of the kids =
there=20
(average age of about 16) wouldn't know a lot of it but as this was =
what the=20
organiser wanted, I played a fairly safe, well known set. The =
kind of=20
tracks they might have heard on some of the compilations doing the =
rounds=20
but it was a waste of time. One wee lassie who was gothed up =
to the=20
nines complained during Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their =
being no=20
real metal.<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>We tried everything =
in the end=20
- Killing Joke, Turbonegro, Sisters of Mercy, NIN, The Mission, =
FOTN, Die=20
Krupps, Clan of Xymox, Cubanate etc but they weren't interested.=20
According to them, it wasn't metal or Goth. They wanted =
bands=20
like System of a Down and other bands that we hadn't even heard of =
like The=20
Kidney Thieves, Colin's Collar 67 etc (although it did make me feel =
better=20
that neither the resident DJ or my wee brother had even heard of the =
last=20
two)!<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Even the resident DJ, who =
runs his=20
own Goth & Metal night in another part of Scotland, hadn't heard =
or=20
heard of Alice by SoM (and no Bo, I didn't play the disco=20
version)!<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>The kids seem to think =
that=20
because they wear black, they must be Goths therefore the music they =
listen=20
to must be Goth too. Then magazines come out and push a lot of =
the=20
bands they listen to as Goth and their thoughts are=20
confirmed.<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>All I can say is that =
when these=20
kids turn 18 and start coming out to the main Goth/Industrial/EBM =
clubs=20
they're going to be in for one hell of a =
shock.<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>Claire<BR></FONT> <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B> ade =
<<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>mailto:ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk</U></FONT>>=20
<BR><B>To:</B> <FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>gathering@misera.net</U></FONT> <<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>mailto:gathering@misera.net</U></FONT>>=20
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:25=20
PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03<BR><BR><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>Why do they get the 'goff' tag too? =
Unimaginitive music-industry antics, that's why. Shit band, shit =
singers -=20
SHIT!!! I understand that teens may not know a thing about GOOD =
bands=20
(weren't even born then, etc, etc) & that's not their fault, =
but=20
sometimes I despair... all we can do is spread the word on good=20
bands.<BR></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT =
size=3D2>To be=20
fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing Gristle =
fan=20
;)<BR></FONT></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
<FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>gathering-admin@misera.net</U></FONT> =
[<FONT=20
=
color=3D#0000ff><U>mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net</U></FONT>]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Jester<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 December 2003=20
22:12<BR><B>To:</B> Gathering<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kj] YEAR =
END POLL=20
FOR `03<BR><BR></FONT>I agree, and I do recognize the fact that =
you need=20
things that suck to have things that kick ass. But do they have =
to suck=20
to the very depths of THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, =
people buy=20
into it. I just sit back, shake my head and think, I just don't =
fucking=20
get what is good about this.<BR><BR>Take eversuckage for =
instance. Lack=20
of real vision aside, the girl has a fucking horrible voice. =
They are=20
billed as her being a pleasure to listen to, but that tone def =
road=20
whore is worse off than Edie Brickell.<BR><BR><BR><BR>On =
12/18/03 4:00=20
PM, "ade" <<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk</U></FONT>>=20
wrote:<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Saliva? Why can't =
these=20
bands be a little honest & just call themselves something like =
'Shit',=20
or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the idea.<BR></FONT><BR>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>gathering-admin@misera.net</U></FONT> =
[<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net</U></FONT>] =
<<FONT=20
=
color=3D#0000ff><U>mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net</U></FONT>]> =
<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Jester<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 December 2003=20
21:56<BR><B>To:</B> Gathering<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kj] =
YEAR END=20
POLL FOR `03<BR><BR>I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but =
those=20
tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that =
shit just=20
to further torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America =
to=20
hell!<BR><BR>On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" <<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk</U></FONT>>=20
wrote:<BR><BR> <BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff>How long can those =
pointless=20
tossers continue? One (s)hit wonder no doubt... that's my =
fucking=20
hope anyway.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>gathering-admin@misera.net</U></FONT> =
[<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net</U></FONT>] =
<<FONT=20
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color=3D#0000ff><U>mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net</U></FONT>]> =
<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>bluce ree<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 December =
2003=20
20:36<BR><B>To:</B> <FONT=20
=
color=3D#0000ff><U>gathering@misera.net<BR></U></FONT><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
[kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03<BR><BR> <BR>yeah, I =
wasn't=20
convinced by them for a second. I just hope KJ dont=20
follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a =
ballad=20
formula!<BR><BR><B><I>Jester <</I></B><FONT=20
=
color=3D#0000ff><U>webmaster@killing-joke.com</U></FONT><B><I>></I></B=
>=20
wrote: <BR> <BR>Ok, now I feel better. From what =
I=20
have seen and heard from people round here, I was beginning =
to think=20
I was the only one who saw through their =
fa=E7ade.<BR><BR>On=20
12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" <<FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk</U></FONT>>=20
wrote:<BR><BR> <BR> <BR>what i dont get is =
how a=20
bunch of god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick=20
singer can get to number 1. <BR><BR><B><I>Will E =
Scheipers <</I></B><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><U>wscheip1@juno.com</U></FONT><B><I>></I></B> =
wrote:=20
<BR> <BR> <BR>Have you ever noticed =
that all=20
of evanescence's radio songs all have open cords as =
the verse=20
for every song? I don't get it=20
=
either.....<BR> <BR>From,<BR>Will<BR> <BR><BR><BR>1=
7)=20
Most overrated music of the year:<BR><BR>My wife has =
been=20
listening to Evanesance or something like that, a lot. =
I just=20
don't get =
it...<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><I>KEEPING THE=20
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