[kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
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Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03The music industry and magazines like =
Kerrang telling the "spooky kids" that such bands are Goth. That's why.
In the past few days I have been involved in an online "discussion" with =
2 "Goths" who have told me that Metallica, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit and =
Nirvana are/were Goth bands!
We also had the misfortune of DJing at an under 18's Metal and Goth =
night recently. I was asked to play old Goth specifically and Craig was =
asked to play "Real Metal". I really didn't see much point in playing =
old Goth as most of the kids there (average age of about 16) wouldn't =
know a lot of it but as this was what the organiser wanted, I played a =
fairly safe, well known set. The kind of tracks they might have heard =
on some of the compilations doing the rounds but it was a waste of time. =
One wee lassie who was gothed up to the nines complained during =
Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their being no real metal.
We tried everything in the end - Killing Joke, Turbonegro, Sisters of =
Mercy, NIN, The Mission, FOTN, Die Krupps, Clan of Xymox, Cubanate etc =
but they weren't interested. According to them, it wasn't metal or =
Goth. They wanted bands like System of a Down and other bands that we =
hadn't even heard of like The Kidney Thieves, Colin's Collar 67 etc =
(although it did make me feel better that neither the resident DJ or my =
wee brother had even heard of the last two)!
Even the resident DJ, who runs his own Goth & Metal night in another =
part of Scotland, hadn't heard or heard of Alice by SoM (and no Bo, I =
didn't play the disco version)!
The kids seem to think that because they wear black, they must be Goths =
therefore the music they listen to must be Goth too. Then magazines =
come out and push a lot of the bands they listen to as Goth and their =
thoughts are confirmed.
All I can say is that when these kids turn 18 and start coming out to =
the main Goth/Industrial/EBM clubs they're going to be in for one hell =
of a shock.
Claire
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
Why do they get the 'goff' tag too? Unimaginitive music-industry =
antics, that's why. Shit band, shit singers - SHIT!!! I understand that =
teens may not know a thing about GOOD bands (weren't even born then, =
etc, etc) & that's not their fault, but sometimes I despair... all we =
can do is spread the word on good bands.
To be fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing Gristle =
fan ;)
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From: gathering-admin@misera.net =
[mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester
Sent: 18 December 2003 22:12
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
I agree, and I do recognize the fact that you need things that suck =
to have things that kick ass. But do they have to suck to the very =
depths of THIS endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into it. I =
just sit back, shake my head and think, I just don't fucking get what is =
good about this.
Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision aside, the girl =
has a fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a pleasure to =
listen to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie Brickell.
On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade" <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest & just call =
themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get the idea.
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-admin@misera.net =
[mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of Jester
Sent: 18 December 2003 21:56
To: Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
I feel the same way about Saliva as well...but those tossers =
keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that shit just to further =
torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of America to hell!
On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade" <ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
=20
How long can those pointless tossers continue? One (s)hit =
wonder no doubt... that's my fucking hope anyway.
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From: gathering-admin@misera.net =
[mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]On Behalf Of bluce ree
Sent: 18 December 2003 20:36
To: gathering@misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR `03
=20
yeah, I wasn't convinced by them for a second. I just hope =
KJ dont follow suit with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad =
formula!
Jester <webmaster@killing-joke.com> wrote: =20
=20
Ok, now I feel better. From what I have seen and heard =
from people round here, I was beginning to think I was the only one =
who saw through their fa=E7ade.
On 12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree" =
<bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
=20
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what i dont get is how a bunch of god-botherer goth =
metallers with a whimpy chick singer can get to number 1. =20
Will E Scheipers <wscheip1@juno.com> wrote: =20
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Have you ever noticed that all of evanescence's =
radio songs all have open cords as the verse for every song? I don't =
get it either.....
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Will
=20
17) Most overrated music of the year:
My wife has been listening to Evanesance or =
something like that, a lot. I just don't get it...
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The music industry and magazines like =
Kerrang=20
telling the "spooky kids" that such bands are Goth. That's=20
why.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the past few days I have been =
involved in an=20
online "discussion" with 2 "Goths" who have told me that Metallica, =
Linkin=20
Park, Limp Bizkit and Nirvana are/were Goth bands!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We also had the misfortune of DJing at =
an under=20
18's Metal and Goth night recently. I was asked to play old Goth=20
specifically and Craig was asked to play "Real Metal". I really =
didn't see=20
much point in playing old Goth as most of the kids there (average age of =
about=20
16) wouldn't know a lot of it but as this was what the =
organiser=20
wanted, I played a fairly safe, well known set. The kind of =
tracks=20
they might have heard on some of the compilations doing the rounds but =
it was a=20
waste of time. One wee lassie who was gothed up to the nines =
complained=20
during Motorhead's "Killed By Death" about their being no real=20
metal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We tried everything in the end - =
Killing Joke,=20
Turbonegro, Sisters of Mercy, NIN, The Mission, FOTN, Die Krupps, Clan =
of Xymox,=20
Cubanate etc but they weren't interested. According to them, =
it=20
wasn't metal or Goth. They wanted bands like System of a Down and =
other=20
bands that we hadn't even heard of like The Kidney Thieves, Colin's =
Collar 67=20
etc (although it did make me feel better that neither the resident DJ or =
my wee=20
brother had even heard of the last two)!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Even the resident DJ, who runs his own =
Goth &=20
Metal night in another part of Scotland, hadn't heard or heard of Alice =
by SoM=20
(and no Bo, I didn't play the disco version)!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The kids seem to think that because =
they wear=20
black, they must be Goths therefore the music they listen to must be =
Goth=20
too. Then magazines come out and push a lot of the bands they =
listen to as=20
Goth and their thoughts are confirmed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All I can say is that when these kids =
turn 18 and=20
start coming out to the main Goth/Industrial/EBM clubs they're going to =
be in=20
for one hell of a shock.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Claire</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 18, =
2003 10:25=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [kj] YEAR END POLL =
FOR=20
`03</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D817352122-18122003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Why=20
do they get the 'goff' tag too? Unimaginitive music-industry antics, =
that's=20
why. Shit band, shit singers - SHIT!!! I understand that teens may not =
know a=20
thing about GOOD bands (weren't even born then, etc, etc) & that's =
not=20
their fault, but sometimes I despair... all we can do is spread the =
word on=20
good bands.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D817352122-18122003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D817352122-18122003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>To=20
be fair, that's just MY opinion. After all, I'm a Throbbing =
Gristle fan=20
;)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
gathering-admin@misera.net=20
[mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]<B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>Jester<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 December 2003 22:12<BR><B>To:</B>=20
Gathering<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kj] YEAR END POLL FOR=20
`03<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px">I=20
agree, and I do recognize the fact that you need things that suck to =
have=20
things that kick ass. But do they have to suck to the very depths of =
THIS=20
endless abyss? I think not. Yet, people buy into it. I just sit =
back, shake=20
my head and think, I just don't fucking get what is good about=20
this.<BR><BR>Take eversuckage for instance. Lack of real vision =
aside, the=20
girl has a fucking horrible voice. They are billed as her being a =
pleasure=20
to listen to, but that tone def road whore is worse off than Edie=20
Brickell.<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 12/18/03 4:00 PM, "ade"=20
<ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Saliva? Why can't these bands be a little honest =
& just=20
call themselves something like 'Shit', or 'Fucking Crap'. You get =
the=20
idea.<BR></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
gathering-admin@misera.net [<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]">mailto:gathering-admin@misera=
.net]</A><B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Jester<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 December 2003=20
21:56<BR><B>To:</B> Gathering<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kj] =
YEAR END=20
POLL FOR `03<BR><BR>I feel the same way about Saliva as =
well...but those=20
tossers keep on too...and yup, my wife plays some of that =
shit=20
just to further torment me, no doubt. Damn the youth of =
America to=20
hell!<BR><BR>On 12/18/03 3:48 PM, "ade"=20
<ade@the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> =
wrote:<BR><BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
face=3DArial>How long can those pointless tossers continue? =
One (s)hit=20
wonder no doubt... that's my fucking hope=20
anyway.<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
gathering-admin@misera.net [<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:gathering-admin@misera.net]">mailto:gathering-admin@misera=
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Behalf Of </B>bluce ree<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 =
December 2003=20
20:36<BR><B>To:</B>=20
gathering@misera.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kj] =
YEAR=20
END POLL FOR `03<BR><BR> <BR>yeah, I wasn't =
convinced by=20
them for a second. I just hope KJ dont =
follow suit=20
with the typical 3rd single has to be a ballad=20
formula!<BR><BR><B><I>Jester=20
<webmaster@killing-joke.com></I></B> wrote:=20
<BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT =
face=3DVerdana>Ok,=20
now I feel better. From what I have seen and =
heard=20
from people round here, I was beginning to think I =
was=20
the only one who saw through their =
fa=E7ade.<BR><BR>On=20
12/18/03 2:03 PM, "bluce ree"=20
<bluceree2003@yahoo.co.uk>=20
wrote:<BR><BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana>what i dont get is how a =
bunch of=20
god-botherer goth metallers with a whimpy chick=20
singer can get to number 1. =
<BR><BR><B><I>Will=20
E Scheipers =
<wscheip1@juno.com></I></B> wrote:=20
<BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana>Have you ever noticed that =
all of=20
evanescence's radio songs all have open cords =
as=20
the verse for every song? I don't get it=20
=
either.....<BR> <BR>From,<BR>Will<BR> <BR><BR><BR>1=
7)=20
Most overrated music of the =
year:<BR><BR>My wife=20
has been listening to Evanesance or =
something like=20
that, a lot. I just don't get=20
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