[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 225, Issue 10
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Seeing everyone’s excitement with the Pylon 3LP set, I ordered the 3LP/2CD bundle today but as like someone wrote in a previous post I wasn’t thrilled at all with the Absolute Dissent RSD vinyl and I listen to the CD way more than the record. Definitely looking forward to hearing how Pylon sounds now as I love that album and I wonder what changes could've been made since it’s not that old of a recording
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1. Re: Recently, Currently, Upcoming, What is
this...Remastered!? (Mark Kolmar)
2. Re: Gathering Digest, Vol 225, Issue 9 (Mike Logvinoff)
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From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com>
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Almost forgot -- The same shop also had a new CD version of Pandemonium.
Anyone know if that one is the same as the second version that came out
along with a remaster of Democracy around 2005?
--Mark
On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 10:14 PM Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:
> I picked up a remastered 2xCD of Pylon this afternoon. So far, I
> only compared "Autonomous Zone" and "I Am the Virus", and looked at the
> stats for both versions of the CD. In its favor, the new version tames the
> muddy or boxy bass. Less warm, but maybe a better balance. The 2nd CD adds
> "Snakedance (dub)" and 2 radio edits. On the down side, the tracks are
> about 1.5dB louder, and even more limited -- from a DR7 to DR5. Less bass
> already would give more perceived loudness and increase the dynamic range,
> so everything else has been pushed up more than that. This is not
> inappropriate for the style, but pushed further than necessary. KJ are not
> Napalm Death. Even so, the EQ of the new version probably would sound
> better to most people on more systems.
>
> --Mark
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 8:58 AM wessidetempest . <
> wessidetempest at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So the only ones I?m aware of
>> S/t
>> WtF
>> 03 - the only one I wanted
>> Pandemonium
>> Singles collection
>> Absolute Dissent
>>
>> I didn?t bother with first 2 as I have a lot of copies and am still happy
>> with the initial Sony(?) cd reissues.
>> I wanted 03 bad and preordered but it was ultimately cancelled. It came
>> out but in very limited quantity.
>> I bought Pandemonium and Singles on vinyl and honestly wasn?t that
>> thrilled with either. They?re ok if you don?t have a copy
>> I got AD vinyl at RSD a few years back and was disappointed. It sounded
>> way better on CD.
>> So far every current release seems to be better mastered for CD or
>> digital. Vinyl versions seem mushy.
>> I bought the Spinefarm EDaVRE several years ago. And it does sound good
>> compared to the original CD release. But there is nothing extra nor was
>> there any thought put into vinyl packaging. And they shipped it to the US
>> as cheaply and poorly as possible.
>> The only releases I want on vinyl are
>> Democracy - there was a vinyl reissue but missed it
>> ?03
>> Hossannas - even though one of my least favorite. And again there was one
>> but missed it. I want it for the painting.
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:15 AM, Anthony Arena <anthonyarena68 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Yo folks. I'm, of course, likely purposefully, or due to aloof reasons
>> of band, confused about what is actually remastered by the spinefarm
>> re-released and or remastered ?
>>
>> I understand that some may reply about milking the teet.
>> I'm not interested in this dialog right now or I once paid for Gems of
>> Power, etc, etc. Not that such opinions aren't of a particular merit
>> depending upon POV or perspective.
>>
>> I just have seen so much conflicting or non information on the recent
>> reissues,.I suppose, that would include as well, Cadiz as well as Spinefarm.
>>
>> Does anyone have any information on the Recent, Current, and Upcoming
>> reissues that are actually remastered ? And or, has any come from the
>> master tapes? I'm a bit of a completist. That said, Pandemonium, which
>> I have both vinyls, has to my ears been remastered. If not, it's a far
>> superior lathe cut form the source. Which is sort of a remaster I
>> suppose?
>>
>> Any vinyl holders or completist ...please,.please chime in. Or anyone
>> with info. We all know what has been put forth recently, or is on the
>> horizon. Thanks much! In appreciation, -A
>>
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Thanks for the info, hoping the remaster will make it to iTunes so I can compare.
Probably not an earth shattering difference lol.
Love the green alt. cover?
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1. Re: Recently, Currently, Upcoming, What is
this...Remastered!? (Mark Kolmar)
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Subject: Re: [kj] Recently, Currently, Upcoming, What is
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I picked up a remastered 2xCD of Pylon this afternoon. So far, I
only compared "Autonomous Zone" and "I Am the Virus", and looked at the
stats for both versions of the CD. In its favor, the new version tames the
muddy or boxy bass. Less warm, but maybe a better balance. The 2nd CD adds
"Snakedance (dub)" and 2 radio edits. On the down side, the tracks are
about 1.5dB louder, and even more limited -- from a DR7 to DR5. Less bass
already would give more perceived loudness and increase the dynamic range,
so everything else has been pushed up more than that. This is not
inappropriate for the style, but pushed further than necessary. KJ are not
Napalm Death. Even so, the EQ of the new version probably would sound
better to most people on more systems.
--Mark
On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 8:58 AM wessidetempest . <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> So the only ones I?m aware of
> S/t
> WtF
> 03 - the only one I wanted
> Pandemonium
> Singles collection
> Absolute Dissent
>
> I didn?t bother with first 2 as I have a lot of copies and am still happy
> with the initial Sony(?) cd reissues.
> I wanted 03 bad and preordered but it was ultimately cancelled. It came
> out but in very limited quantity.
> I bought Pandemonium and Singles on vinyl and honestly wasn?t that
> thrilled with either. They?re ok if you don?t have a copy
> I got AD vinyl at RSD a few years back and was disappointed. It sounded
> way better on CD.
> So far every current release seems to be better mastered for CD or
> digital. Vinyl versions seem mushy.
> I bought the Spinefarm EDaVRE several years ago. And it does sound good
> compared to the original CD release. But there is nothing extra nor was
> there any thought put into vinyl packaging. And they shipped it to the US
> as cheaply and poorly as possible.
> The only releases I want on vinyl are
> Democracy - there was a vinyl reissue but missed it
> ?03
> Hossannas - even though one of my least favorite. And again there was one
> but missed it. I want it for the painting.
>
> On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:15 AM, Anthony Arena <anthonyarena68 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Yo folks. I'm, of course, likely purposefully, or due to aloof reasons of
> band, confused about what is actually remastered by the spinefarm
> re-released and or remastered ?
>
> I understand that some may reply about milking the teet.
> I'm not interested in this dialog right now or I once paid for Gems of
> Power, etc, etc. Not that such opinions aren't of a particular merit
> depending upon POV or perspective.
>
> I just have seen so much conflicting or non information on the recent
> reissues,.I suppose, that would include as well, Cadiz as well as Spinefarm.
>
> Does anyone have any information on the Recent, Current, and Upcoming
> reissues that are actually remastered ? And or, has any come from the
> master tapes? I'm a bit of a completist. That said, Pandemonium, which
> I have both vinyls, has to my ears been remastered. If not, it's a far
> superior lathe cut form the source. Which is sort of a remaster I
> suppose?
>
> Any vinyl holders or completist ...please,.please chime in. Or anyone
> with info. We all know what has been put forth recently, or is on the
> horizon. Thanks much! In appreciation, -A
>
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 2:00 AM <gathering-request at misera.net> wrote:
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>> 1. Re: UK Tour 2022 (fatpotanga)
>>
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:50:38 +0100
>> From: fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] UK Tour 2022
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>> > On 22 Jun 2021, at 16:49, Paul <dubecho at gmail.com> wrote:
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