[kj] Trump

[Rheinhold Squeegee]

Nice to see some spirited discussion and actual counterpoint here; it was unexpected.


When you have to choose between two horrible candidates, one of two horrible candidates is going to win. The idea that "Trump is worse" is entirely beyond the point. Trump was just easier to hate and categorize according to the lazy fall-backs of "racist" and "sexist" as opposed to Clinton's more nuanced "pernicious liar," "duplicitous megalomaniac," "elitist multi-millionaire," "influence peddler," "political coattail rider" or "sexual predator enabler." Sorry, Trump was not worse; they were both unacceptable candidates and if ever the flaws of a two-party system have been laid bare on the world stage...


Reality is, the Democrats put Trump in office. Their negative campaign backfired miserably and they found the one person out of 310 million US citizens who couldn't beat Donald Trump. A doddering, pre-dementia Bernie Sanders would have walked away with the presidency, even with his unsupportable, wishful thinking of free college straight from a freshman's Chomsky 101 term paper. Conversely, the GOP could have run Marco Rubio and won in a bigger landslide. Shit, they could have run MN Timberwolves point guard Ricky Rubio, and I don't think he's even a citizen, not that it's stopped us in the past [?]


This statement: "...if you're a Yank here that did vote for him, I've got a problem with that" is precisely why Donald Trump was elected President. Strong work, there. Kudos. I didn't vote for either one, so I guess I'm safe from the wrath of the New Zealanders...

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From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:14:17 AM
To: Jim Harper; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Trump


At the risk of attempting to appeal to sanity....

To suggest that we limit our conversations solely to Killing Joke seems myopic, especially given the enormity of this particular event and its impending ramifications. Moreover, given that Killing Joke themselves make music that is topically steeped in such things, it's not so removed. As has been said elsewhere, at least it's jumpstarted the discussions again.

My words about Trump are sincere, and if you're a Yank here that did vote for him, I've got a problem with that. Other folks here have offered up a litany of reasons to renounce Clinton, and that's fine, but that's not really the point. I was not originally a Clinton supporter (I was gunning for Bernie, not that he wasn't rife with his own problems). But the fact remains that it came down to two (no, Johnson and Stein never counted, and you're naive if you think they did). And in the face of those two, Trump -- to my mind -- was the worse choice.

As a U.S. citizen, I'm incredibly angry. I can only imagine what people around the rest of the world are feeling ... even individuals in New Zealand (I never took Middle Earth to be such an angry place!)

That said, to Jim's point, I really don't think we should call each other names. But hey, ... that's just me, the whistleheaded meat puppet of the dread "MSM" ... attempting to take the high road.









-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Harper via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>Sent: Nov 10, 2016 12:01 PM
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>Cc: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Trump
>
>I'd be the first to admit that was an "empty nothing comment", no problems. But I'm not sure where the open hostility and the need for insults about my intelligence comes in.
>
>If the complaint about my comment was that it made no contribution to the discussion at hand (as I said, a valid criticism), then your response hardly fares any better.
>
>Jim.
>
>On Thu, 10/11/16, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump
> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>
> Date: Thursday, 10 November, 2016, 14:40
>
> Try and whittle your
> soundbite down a bit further; empty nothing comments benefit
> from concision just as much as...well, whatever smart people
> talk about...I guess.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Jim Harper via Gathering
> Sent:
> Friday, 11 November 2016 1:26 a.m.
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> Cc: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Trump
>
> Wow.
>
>
> On Thu, 10/11/16, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>  Trump's gobshite
> comments,
>  con-man rip off schemes vs The
> Clintons litany of crimes  against humanity
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