[kj] Chameleons Home is Where The Heart Is
Nick Scott
npscott at blueyonder.co.uk
Mon Feb 1 12:45:58 EST 2016
The second night was allegedly songs chosen in a poll from those that purchased
tix for both nights, and included those 'rarities', of which I remember them
having played 'Dali's Picture' previously at Sub 61, Manchester.
Perhaps on this tour a 'no Manchester' is their way of attempting to convince
they are stopping the day to day touring schedule! I don't know if I can be
arsed going to any more Chameleons Vox gigs without John now...I have seen about
three or four and just not the same....just lining Mark's pockets for his
flights back and forth to the US.
> On 01 February 2016 at 17:24 Brian Whitehead <bawhitehead at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ye getting mixed up with last Junes (was it?) "What Does Anything
> Basically" and the December gigs which you rightly point out was the The Fan
> and The Bellows. What I'd not realised however that the second night in
> December was a pick of rarities - I had it down as just best of. Explains my
> copmplete bemusement with the set list. Still, a jolly good sing along was
> had.
>
> Another thing I've obviously mentally lost is ye I thought that those were
> the last gigs as well. To be honest I'm not sure how why I thought that???
> I'll be at the Clitheroe and possibly Leeds gigs....what no Manchester?
> Like I said, its not too serious, a few beers and a sing a long. Quite
> cabaret really.
>
>
>
>
> On 1 February 2016 at 16:14, Nick Scott < npscott at blueyonder.co.uk
> <mailto:npscott at blueyonder.co.uk> > wrote:
>
> > >
> > It was actually last June's array of gigs that were advertised as
> > playing "What Does Anything Basically" in their entirety, that was the last
> > time I have chosen to go and see them. The Xmas 2015 gigs saw set lists of
> > 1hr 15 minutes per night! The first night being a selection of early
> > recordings (The Fan and The Bellows) interspersed with usual tracks and the
> > second night they played Dangerous Land, Denims and Curls, Ever After, Is It
> > Any Wonder and Dali's Picture as the 'rarities' picked by fans.
> >
> > Just seen posted yesterday Bird's laughable Chams Vox tour schedule
> > for April and May this [year <http://chameleonsvox.tumblr.com/> ] so much
> > for their "farewell tour" (of day to day touring) all bollocks. 14 gigs in
> > April in mainland Europe then into May with 8 scheduled for the UK.
> >
> > Speaking to John at the release party of The Red Sided Garter Snakes
> > album (at the Witchwood) you could still sense the rage he feels. For Mark
> > Burgess to call him a liar for stating they ousted him out of the band and
> > yet spout own lies about the touring of Chameleons Vox in both what they
> > play and tour scheduling....not to mention the people he has trampled under
> > his feet over the years, disgraceful for a man that comes across on the
> > surface as sincere, just a smokescreen really.
> >
> > I was there at the reunion gigs, 2 of them in Ashton, yes it was May
> > 2000 to be precise, again at the sold out Manchester Academy gig in June
> > 2000 the crowd of which was immense...and then countless times afterwards
> > until the split in 2002.
> >
> > Chameleons Vox (and John Lever's Second Skin) was fun for a while
> > for the nostalgia once again I have seen them countless times, but has all
> > very much soured with John and has become nothing but a cash cow now.
> >
> > For all I feel about Mark these days, it can still be said he is a
> > competent enough songwriter, I wished he would return to it...as you said
> > Invincible - Venus was a great album.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > On 01 February 2016 at 14:10 Brian Whitehead <
> > > > > bawhitehead at gmail.com <mailto:bawhitehead at gmail.com> >
> > > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > And for me also, a close run thing between KJ and Chameleons.
> > > KJ probably win due to their vastly superior musical output.
> > >
> > > Managed to see all the Chameleons reunion gigs at the
> > > Witchwood in Ashton (circa 2000?), such an amazing experience.
> > > The LP they made on their comeback (Why Call It Anything) was
> > > very very poor in my opinion.
> > >
> > > I've never taken The Chameleons Vox thing too seriously. It's
> > > just be great to here classic songs in a live environment again.
> > > Glad Nick pointed out about it being crap when they advertised
> > > that they would be playing all of "What Does Anything Mean Basically".
> > > What about the night after as "song picked by the fans" errrr really, I'm
> > > sure they played Denims And Curls which I refuse to believe was up there
> > > in a fans best of.
> > >
> > > As for Mark, well what a disgrace his recent attack on John
> > > Lever in interviews. The less said about Mark the better.
> > >
> > > I don't usually recommend best-of but The Chameleons - Return
> > > Of The Roughnecks is excellent.
> > > Also another hidden gem is the LP Mark did with Yves Altana
> > > under the name Invincible called Venus.
> > >
> > > Brian.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29 January 2016 at 21:29, Nick Scott <
> > > npscott at blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:npscott at blueyonder.co.uk> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > I don't know who knows him on here, I went to the album
> > > > launch party and talked to both Dave and John, Dave did give me a CDF CD
> > > > of some demos....he never really took that project that seriously and
> > > > just did some festivals with it, and to be honest it sounds like trance
> > > > noodlings that would probably been alright in about 1992.
> > > >
> > > > Yves is a very talented multi instrumentalist, but to be
> > > > honest his drumming in Vox is not a patch on John's.
> > > >
> > > > Interestingly Yves is a member of a new project he has
> > > > formed with Kitchens Of Distinction's Patrick Fitzgerald called 'Oskar's
> > > > Drum'.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 29 January 2016 at 21:13 "fatpotanga ."
> > > > > > > > > < fatpotanga at gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > <mailto:fatpotanga at gmail.com> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No, I missed that. Last project of his I heard of
> > > > > was Coconut Dog Fuck. Someone on here knows Dave or lived near him.
> > > > > Was it Janean? Anyway, Will check it out and thanks for the reminder.
> > > > > I recorded a demo at Martin Coogans studio once, long time Burgess
> > > > > cohort Yves Altana engineered/produced it. Both nice guys, esp the
> > > > > latter who I got on really well with. Crazy Corsican!
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 Jan 2016 21:02, "Nick Scott" <
> > > > > npscott at blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:npscott at blueyonder.co.uk> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave Fielding, amazing guitarist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't know if you knew he did a project last
> > > > > > summer with John, 'Red-Sided Garter Snakes' and the album 'Endless
> > > > > > Sea'...I did post about it on here but may have slipped under the
> > > > > > radar, had some interesting guest vocalists on it including Martin
> > > > > > Coogan's (Mock Turtles/Steve Coogans brother) daughter Mary Joanna
> > > > > > Coogan, and the rather brilliant ex-Puressence vocalist James
> > > > > > Mudriczki. Check out [Feel Alive
> > > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wBet8vA5w> ] and [Crack In A
> > > > > > Paper Cup <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN_5880kxuY> ].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sadly do not know the reasonings, but Dave
> > > > > > has left the project as they were about to start recording the
> > > > > > second album. No fallings out as far as I know, Dave has wished John
> > > > > > well with his endeavours and going to be doing some solo stuff, but
> > > > > > was hoping for some gigs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 29 January 2016 at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 20:48 "fatpotanga ." <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fatpotanga at gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:fatpotanga at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chameleons - neck and neck with
> > > > > > > killing joke for me and just as innovative both as genre setting
> > > > > > > and from a unique guitar stance. Brilliant! Swamp Thing, up there
> > > > > > > with the greatest guitar riffs of all time, except nobody's heard
> > > > > > > it :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 29 Jan 2016 20:37, "Carlos
> > > > > > > Fandango" < stronkle at hotmail.co.uk <mailto:stronkle at hotmail.co.uk>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haven't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chameleon box
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > packed it in also?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recently did a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "final" tour. Was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watching some old
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > episode of Luther
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the other week and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was surprised &
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pleased to see
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they used
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chameleons tune
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for end titles.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > From: Nick Scott
> > > > > > > > <mailto:npscott at blueyonder.co.uk>
> > > > > > > > Sent: 1/29/2016 3:17 PM
> > > > > > > > To: A list about all things
> > > > > > > > Killing Joke (the band!) <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Chameleons
> > > > > > > > Home is Where The Heart Is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One of my favourite bands and
> > > > > > > > were very intense live. Chameleons Vox playing the stuff live
> > > > > > > > has all gone sour though and Mark Burgess is a self indulgent
> > > > > > > > twat, but definitely check out their albums...to me they had the
> > > > > > > > intensity of KJ and are like a bastard child mix up of The
> > > > > > > > Cure/Killing Joke/Echo And The Bunnymen.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Criminally overlooked, the
> > > > > > > > record label they originally signed to made them ineligible if I
> > > > > > > > remember right for the indie charts and besides some help by
> > > > > > > > John Peel sessions were stuck in no mans land. The death of
> > > > > > > > their manager when they were finally signed to Geffen and
> > > > > > > > beginning to get some successes was the last straw.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Despite reforming in 2000 and a
> > > > > > > > final album coming in 2001, they split again in 2002 and in 2009
> > > > > > > > saw the birth of Chameleons Vox between Mark Burgess (vocalist)
> > > > > > > > and John Lever (drummer) which then turned sour about 18 months
> > > > > > > > ago with Lever stating they conspired to 'oust' him out and
> > > > > > > > Burgess calling it lies. Splitting fans, myself on the side of
> > > > > > > > John after reading about Burgess's questionable personality and
> > > > > > > > antics. Chameleons Vox whilst still worth checking out are
> > > > > > > > themselves a shadow of their former self. Former Wonky Alice
> > > > > > > > guitarist and well known producer in the Manchester area Yves
> > > > > > > > Altana who has played with Mark in various outside Chameleons
> > > > > > > > projects has put his hands to the drums, and whilst competent
> > > > > > > > enough is no match for Lever's drumming.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Check out particularly the first
> > > > > > > > three Chameleons albums, Script Of The Bridge, What Does
> > > > > > > > Anything Mean Basically, Strange Times...all brilliant.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 29
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > January
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2016 at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19:43 "
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adrianwason at btinternet.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:adrianwason at btinternet.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adrianwason at btinternet.com
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've just been played this
> > > > > > > > > never having heard the Chameleons before-sounds like something
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