[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 150, Issue 21

Alexander Smith vassifer at earthlink.net
Sat Sep 12 10:14:27 EDT 2015


This multi-edition format does seem like the desperate gasp of an industry flailing to maintain control, when the horse left the barn some time ago. I mean, let’s face it, this sort of thing is aimed DIRECTLY at “collector scum” like ourselves — completist folks still smitten with the notion of the tactile artifact, while most of the rest of the world now streams music (and the artists get shafted). 

I’m not tickled about it, but I look at it this way — so little current/contemporary music moves me in the way that it used to that I’m damn glad that a few of my favorite bands (Killing Joke, SWANS, Stranglers, Devo, Buzzcocks foremost among them) are still bothering to produce and release music in physical formats. Being that a buy a tenth as much music as I did two decades ago, I am therefore not as bothered by paying for the “deluxe ltd. edition” bullshit. But, then, I am the forgiving type.

It’s a changing world. Not always for the better.

Alex in NYC





> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:47 AM, kevin <patrickvieira at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Im not exactly sure what goes on regarding all these formats but as far as I know the music industry is pretty much
> on its arse these days and like Rob says they have to find different ways of squeezing money from the punter any way they can. 
> As far as I know the whole way of putting out a record has turned on its head from the way it used to be in the old days
> whereby, in the past, a band used to tour to promote their record, whereas now a band puts out a record to be able to get
> tour support from a record company to be able to tour and make a bit of dosh in the process- I certainly know thats the case with some friends of mine and I seem to reccolect jaz saying something similar a while back.
> Anyway-whatever the case-I`ll be buying whatevers available at the gigs as its the surest way I know that my cash will
> be going straight to the hands of the band and crew and not to some middle man at Amazon or Pledge
> 
> Kev
> 
> > From: gathering-request at misera.net <mailto:gathering-request at misera.net>
> > Subject: Gathering Digest, Vol 150, Issue 21
> > To: gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 05:16:12 -0400
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1. Re: Pylon Amazon dlx vinyl track listing error? (Nick Scott)
> > 2. Re: Pylon Amazon dlx vinyl track listing error? (Steve Hackett)
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 09:37:14 +0100 (BST)
> > From: Nick Scott <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:npscott at blueyonder.co.uk>>
> > To: adrianwason <adrianwason at btinternet.com <mailto:adrianwason at btinternet.com>>, "A list about all
> > things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon Amazon dlx vinyl track listing error?
> > Message-ID:
> > <1726730947.15217.1442047034311.JavaMail.open-xchange at oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net <mailto:1726730947.15217.1442047034311.JavaMail.open-xchange at oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net>>
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > 
> > I looked into this briefly yesterday and preliminary said the Deluxe Ltd CD and
> > Ltd Vinyl would get you all the tracks.
> > 
> > Ltd CD (Standard CD First 10 tracks only)
> > 
> > 01 Autonomous Zone
> > 02 Dawn Of The Hive
> > 03 New Cold War
> > 04 Euphoria
> > 05 New Jerusalem
> > 06 War On Freedom
> > 07 Big Buzz
> > 08 Delete
> > 09 I Am The Virus
> > 10 Into The Unknown
> > 
> > Disc Two
> > 01 Apotheosis
> > 02 Plague
> > 03 Star Spangled
> > 04 Panopticon
> > 05 Snakedance (Youth ?Rattlesnake Dub? Remix) *
> > 
> > Ltd Vinyl (Standard Vinyl omits Snakedance)
> > 
> > Disc One (Side One)
> > 01 Autonomous Zone
> > 02 Dawn Of The Hive
> > 03 New Cold War
> > 
> > Disc One (Side Two)
> > 01 Euphoria
> > 02 New Jerusalem
> > 03 War On Freedom
> > 
> > Disc Two (Side One)
> > 01 Big Buzz
> > 02 Delete
> > 03 I Am The Virus
> > 
> > Disc Two (Side Two)
> > 01 Into The Unknown
> > 02 Panopticon (bonus track)
> > 03 Snakedance (bonus track) *
> > 
> > 
> > Snakedance literally is the only difference between the Ltd Vinyl and the Ltd
> > CD...Vinyl appears to have the standard mix, whilst the CD has the Youth Dub
> > mix.  
> > 
> > The standard vinyl omits Snakedance (11 songs, includes Panopticon) , the
> > standard CD omits all after the first 10 songs.
> > 
> > Regular CD - 10 Songs
> > Ltd CD - 15 Songs (only version with Apotheosis, Plague, Star Spangled and
> > Snakedance dub version)
> > Regular Vinyl - 11 Songs (Panopticon as a bonus track)
> > Ltd Vinyl - 12 Songs (Panopticon and Snakedance - original mix? as bonus tracks)
> > 
> > 
> > > On 12 September 2015 at 08:13 "adrianwason at btinternet.com <mailto:adrianwason at btinternet.com>"
> > > <adrianwason at btinternet.com <mailto:adrianwason at btinternet.com>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rob,
> > > 
> > > What do you need to buy to get all the tracks?
> > > 
> > > Yours
> > > 
> > > Terry Fuckwitt
> > > 
> > > > > ----Original message----
> > > > From : rob.moss at gmx.com <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com>
> > > > Date : 11/09/2015 - 21:17 (GMTDT)
> > > > To : gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
> > > > Subject : Re: [kj] Pylon Amazon dlx vinyl track listing error?
> > > > 
> > > > There is no vinyl with everything as far as I know
> > > > 
> > > > I am in regular contact with Spinefarm and they tell me you need to
> > > > have 3 out of 4 to get the complete set
> > > > 
> > > > It's a reaction to the fact that the music industry really has
> > > > suffered due to the illegal downloading. They have fewer opportunities to
> > > > make the money back.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > By the way. Plans are afoot for some reissues. Hoping to persuade
> > > > them to get something special done! That's all for now though!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 11 Sep 2015, at 19:20, drunk wish < dwish2000 at hotmail.com <mailto:dwish2000 at hotmail.com>
> > > > <mailto:dwish2000 at hotmail.com <mailto:dwish2000 at hotmail.com>> > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > If anyone on here is able to get a quick word to KJ.....
> > > > > 
> > > > > <http://Amazon.co.uk <http://amazon.co.uk/>>
> > > > > 
> > > > > currently has the deluxe vinyl track listing as containing the
> > > > > "full" 15 tracks, spread across two vinyl platters, which differs from
> > > > > Pledge which indicates only 12 tracks total. (Also, amazon suggests the
> > > > > version of Snakedance is the dub, whereas on Pledge it's not listed as
> > > > > such and is assumedly the original, i.e., non-dub version.) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > It looks to me like amazon has the deluxe cd track listing
> > > > > incorrectly in place for the deluxe vinyl? The regular vinyl and the cd /
> > > > > 2cd editions look ok. Is this amazon screw-up (assuming I've got the above
> > > > > correct) gonna bite KJ in the ass somehow? Maybe they should have their
> > > > > people jump on this sooner than later.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'd also like to confirm there is in fact no vinyl version
> > > > > that contains all 15 tracks...
> > > > > 
> > > > > I Am The Virus!!!!!
> > > > > 
> > > > > T.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > > From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>
> > > > > <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>> > on behalf of Rob Moss
> > > > > <rob.moss at gmx.com <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com> <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com>> >
> > > > > Sent: September 11, 2015 5:02 PM
> > > > > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon on Pledge
> > > > >  
> > > > > Or buy the extras digitally.....
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 11 Sep 2015, at 17:45, wessidetempest . <
> > > > > wessidetempest at hotmail.com <mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com> <mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com <mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com>> > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > And there are tracks available on
> > > > > > > > > the LP not available on the CD/digital version.
> > > > > > > > > And vice versa. This is my beef with KJ lately
> > > > > > > > > when it comes to these new releases and Pledge.
> > > > > > > > > If I want to be a honest Gatherer and get all of
> > > > > > > > > the songs available I have to order at least 2
> > > > > > > > > different formats for "Deluxe" versions. And I
> > > > > > > > > would bet the Japanese version will have some
> > > > > > > > > variation not available anywhere else.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Make it easier for me to give you my money
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > grumble grumble grumble
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > > > From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com <mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com <mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com>>
> > > > > > To: gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net> <mailto:gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net>>
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 11:41:30 -0400
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon on Pledge
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am not sure what i think of this whole Pledge worship
> > > > > > lately. I understand if artists don't have labels or want to do it
> > > > > > themselves in a half-assed kind of way. But isn't this album still
> > > > > > coming out on Spinefarm/wrench or Music for nations or whatever the
> > > > > > subsidiary is called nowadays.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Maybe I was a bit put off because the shipping method
> > > > > > and material they used was minimal at best and my record showed up with
> > > > > > dings and dents that could have been avoided with proper mailing
> > > > > > material
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > > > From: heiferboy at robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk <mailto:heiferboy at robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > > > > <mailto:heiferboy at robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk <mailto:heiferboy at robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk>>
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 16:27:27 +0100
> > > > > > To: gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net> <mailto:gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net>>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon on Pledge
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Lazy feckers can?t even be bothered to sign the CD or
> > > > > > LP?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On 11 Sep 2015, at
> > > > > > > > > > > 15:11, Alexander Smith <
> > > > > > > > > > > vassifer at earthlink.net <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>> > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > You can now get the whole shebang ? complete with
> > > > > > > t-shirt bundles and all that ? on Pledge.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Alex in NYC
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Begin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > forwarded message:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > From: PledgeMusic < noreply at pledgemusic.com <mailto:noreply at pledgemusic.com>
> > > > > > > > <mailto:noreply at pledgemusic.com <mailto:noreply at pledgemusic.com>> >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Killing Joke: Pylon has launched!
> > > > > > > > Date: September 11, 2015 at 10:00:10 AM EDT
> > > > > > > > To: vassifer at earthlink.net <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > > > > > > > <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>>
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Killing Joke: Pylon has launched!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hello from PledgeMusic,
> > > > > > > > Just a quick note from Team Pledge to let
> > > > > > > > you know that Killing Joke
> > > > > > > > <http://sendgrid.pledgemusic.com/wf/click?upn=4cANCJiQWTonFPe9pa80kiGcQT-2FVswNv-2BOpra35RPiAi-2FK5xpK8V3znna8K4OJtKDt4UUhAzIOzMixJGxWibVYu2gdqYVyL2F-2B4Bg4AjpGb40mFb1RT-2BAGGtm2qFz4UV_hibRkNGqUH-2Bu51sQuYh1CVDyE2a0DqDVo36-2FU34BT-2BT5DE6Jf16uyA56MtvZqy2SvuYbmWJ7naf8RBO8KqXeu0qYh1ohqyXNB3Vho2Bkdft4I-2FZLWSiKILqdgHEayuKgFMcCgwSVHvT702s1SjeN4YU-2FUarlcdpY0eH-2F1ml1DcnNA1RCvMquwgFwKGouHZ6CVsKMHKoO1bzoD62gxEU93dmiYXUHXNIecdq4AbLemM2OqzA8R8B-2FepODdAz-2FdjAUaYvzKqBbKO0t37FZntv-2Bew-3D-3D <http://sendgrid.pledgemusic.com/wf/click?upn=4cANCJiQWTonFPe9pa80kiGcQT-2FVswNv-2BOpra35RPiAi-2FK5xpK8V3znna8K4OJtKDt4UUhAzIOzMixJGxWibVYu2gdqYVyL2F-2B4Bg4AjpGb40mFb1RT-2BAGGtm2qFz4UV_hibRkNGqUH-2Bu51sQuYh1CVDyE2a0DqDVo36-2FU34BT-2BT5DE6Jf16uyA56MtvZqy2SvuYbmWJ7naf8RBO8KqXeu0qYh1ohqyXNB3Vho2Bkdft4I-2FZLWSiKILqdgHEayuKgFMcCgwSVHvT702s1SjeN4YU-2FUarlcdpY0eH-2F1ml1DcnNA1RCvMquwgFwKGouHZ6CVsKMHKoO1bzoD62gxEU93dmiYXUHXNIecdq4AbLemM2OqzA8R8B-2FepODdAz-2FdjAUaYvzKqBbKO0t37FZntv-2Bew-3D-3D>>
> > > > > > > > has launched a new project Pylon
> > > > > > > > <http://sendgrid.pledgemusic.com/wf/click?upn=4cANCJiQWTonFPe9pa80kiGcQT-2FVswNv-2BOpra35RPiBzvW-2FfolCCZ51eFKYTujNmzsAz9gPaAFsqpTTQThI7EezupLjs3F6LJ0bKAltB9x3Dhp9n36cZY-2F6gQzyNojrBVbdrqJnMn-2F-2Fvn-2BWXq4tVRBL1pWG-2B0Vf6VOUqwI-2F8BtwoVAefDct9uQcZYv3xjIpuOui-2FtdNIFH2nlR6VFVWvWg-3D-3D_hibRkNGqUH-2Bu51sQuYh1CVDyE2a0DqDVo36-2FU34BT-2BT5DE6Jf16uyA56MtvZqy2SlTw7W1hRmaBQ1rGAHZt9A5ejSuERIF9zF0TpC-2Fox8mlUq6Byk2-2BVF1R4HkxNTc9CVv0dipu8Nt1U-2B4ztVepQtv0LBZQ-2BGKqJ29Po44jdA930G7vTTf2Z4Nj6gaZOsXjoWJ-2BBJqUSelz-2B3gXFxxKdZDdk-2BQaBy5bHyWPc9HqQpE50HHXbOJs-2BTPs6DDgRKyM7gj1YZY9W2MHMUbnjtZNfhw-3D-3D <http://sendgrid.pledgemusic.com/wf/click?upn=4cANCJiQWTonFPe9pa80kiGcQT-2FVswNv-2BOpra35RPiBzvW-2FfolCCZ51eFKYTujNmzsAz9gPaAFsqpTTQThI7EezupLjs3F6LJ0bKAltB9x3Dhp9n36cZY-2F6gQzyNojrBVbdrqJnMn-2F-2Fvn-2BWXq4tVRBL1pWG-2B0Vf6VOUqwI-2F8BtwoVAefDct9uQcZYv3xjIpuOui-2FtdNIFH2nlR6VFVWvWg-3D-3D_hibRkNGqUH-2Bu51sQuYh1CVDyE2a0DqDVo36-2FU34BT-2BT5DE6Jf16uyA56MtvZqy2SlTw7W1hRmaBQ1rGAHZt9A5ejSuERIF9zF0TpC-2Fox8mlUq6Byk2-2BVF1R4HkxNTc9CVv0dipu8Nt1U-2B4ztVepQtv0LBZQ-2BGKqJ29Po44jdA930G7vTTf2Z4Nj6gaZOsXjoWJ-2BBJqUSelz-2B3gXFxxKdZDdk-2BQaBy5bHyWPc9HqQpE50HHXbOJs-2BTPs6DDgRKyM7gj1YZY9W2MHMUbnjtZNfhw-3D-3D>>
> > > > > > > > :Pre-order Killing Joke?s new album ?Pylon? through PledgeMusic on
> > > > > > > > Deluxe Double CD, Double LP and Deluxe Double LP.
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> > > > > > > > Sent to  vassifer at earthlink.net <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > > > > > > > <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>> by Killing Joke
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> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:11:07 +0100
> > From: Steve Hackett <thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk>>
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon Amazon dlx vinyl track listing error?
> > Message-ID: <6E4560FF-72A5-44CC-BC74-CCC77100F433 at blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:6E4560FF-72A5-44CC-BC74-CCC77100F433 at blueyonder.co.uk>>
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> > ... Is there any difference in the Pledgemusic deluxe vinyl to the Amazon and I assume general release delux? 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > On 11 Sep 2015, at 21:17, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > There is no vinyl with everything as far as I know
> > > 
> > > I am in regular contact with Spinefarm and they tell me you need to have 3 out of 4 to get the complete set
> > > 
> > > It's a reaction to the fact that the music industry really has suffered due to the illegal downloading. They have fewer opportunities to make the money back.
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > By the way. Plans are afoot for some reissues. Hoping to persuade them to get something special done! That's all for now though!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> On 11 Sep 2015, at 19:20, drunk wish <dwish2000 at hotmail.com <mailto:dwish2000 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> If anyone on here is able to get a quick word to KJ.....
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Amazon.co.uk <http://amazon.co.uk/> currently has the deluxe vinyl track listing as containing the "full" 15 tracks, spread across two vinyl platters, which differs from Pledge which indicates only 12 tracks total. (Also, amazon suggests the version of Snakedance is the dub, whereas on Pledge it's not listed as such and is assumedly the original, i.e., non-dub version.) 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> It looks to me like amazon has the deluxe cd track listing incorrectly in place for the deluxe vinyl? The regular vinyl and the cd / 2cd editions look ok. Is this amazon screw-up (assuming I've got the above correct) gonna bite KJ in the ass somehow? Maybe they should have their people jump on this sooner than later.
> > >> 
> > >> I'd also like to confirm there is in fact no vinyl version that contains all 15 tracks...
> > >> 
> > >> I Am The Virus!!!!!
> > >> 
> > >> T.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>> on behalf of Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com <mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com>>
> > >> Sent: September 11, 2015 5:02 PM
> > >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> > >> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon on Pledge
> > >>  
> > >> Or buy the extras digitally.....
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> On 11 Sep 2015, at 17:45, wessidetempest . <wessidetempest at hotmail.com <mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>> And there are tracks available on the LP not available on the CD/digital version. And vice versa. This is my beef with KJ lately when it comes to these new releases and Pledge. If I want to be a honest Gatherer and get all of the songs available I have to order at least 2 different formats for "Deluxe" versions. And I would bet the Japanese version will have some variation not available anywhere else.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Make it easier for me to give you my money
> > >>> 
> > >>> grumble grumble grumble
> > >>> 
> > >>> From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com <mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
> > >>> To: gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
> > >>> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 11:41:30 -0400
> > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon on Pledge
> > >>> 
> > >>> I am not sure what i think of this whole Pledge worship lately. I understand if artists don't have labels or want to do it themselves in a half-assed kind of way. But isn't this album still coming out on Spinefarm/wrench or Music for nations or whatever the subsidiary is called nowadays.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Maybe I was a bit put off because the shipping method and material they used was minimal at best and my record showed up with dings and dents that could have been avoided with proper mailing material
> > >>> 
> > >>> From: heiferboy at robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk <mailto:heiferboy at robinsonworld.freeserve.co.uk>
> > >>> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 16:27:27 +0100
> > >>> To: gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon on Pledge
> > >>> 
> > >>> Lazy feckers can?t even be bothered to sign the CD or LP?
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> On 11 Sep 2015, at 15:11, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>> wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> You can now get the whole shebang ? complete with t-shirt bundles and all that ? on Pledge.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Alex in NYC
> > >>> 
> > >>> Begin forwarded message:
> > >>> 
> > >>> From: PledgeMusic <noreply at pledgemusic.com <mailto:noreply at pledgemusic.com>>
> > >>> Subject: Killing Joke: Pylon has launched!
> > >>> Date: September 11, 2015 at 10:00:10 AM EDT
> > >>> To: vassifer at earthlink.net <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > >>> 
> > >>>  
> > >>> Killing Joke: Pylon has launched!
> > >>> Hello from PledgeMusic,
> > >>> Just a quick note from Team Pledge to let you know that Killing Joke has launched a new project Pylon:Pre-order Killing Joke?s new album ?Pylon? through PledgeMusic on Deluxe Double CD, Double LP and Deluxe Double LP.
> > >>> Thanks for your support!
> > >>> Loving your work. Team Pledge
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