[kj] Oil City Temple

[Rob Moss]

I wasn't that inspired. 

It didn't seem very cohesive to me. 

Hijacked by Jaz!

> On 19 Oct 2015, at 14:55, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> If you're not surprised & delighted by TDARS doco I'll be surprised and
> deflated.
> 
> Has anyone who's seen it not thought it's brilliant? (Not a rhetorical
> question)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Jon H
> Sent: Monday, 19 October 2015 11:30 a.m.
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: [kj] Oil City Temple
> 
> Second that - fantastic documentary that ANY music fan should see.
> Beautifully made. Temp,e has another doc out called 'the ecstasy of Wilko
> Johnson' - not seen that one.
> I haven't seen the KJ doc yet but I'd be surprised if it is as well put
> together as the aforementioned.
> 
> Jon
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>>  1. Re: [KJ] On Fucking Topic..... (Alexander Smith)
>>  2. Re: Pylon further... (Alexander Smith)
>>  3. Re: Pylon further... (Jim Harper)
>>  4. Re: Pylon further... (Alexander Smith)
>>  5. Re: Pylon further... (GREG SLAWSON)
>>  6. Re: Pylon further... (wessidetempest .)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:05:47 -0400
>> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>   <gathering at misera.net>
>> Cc: jpwhkj at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] On Fucking Topic.....
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>> Not to drum it all up, but I have to say ? in the wake of seeing ?Oil City
> Confidential? (Julien Temple?s documentary about proto-punk pub rock legends
> Dr. Feelgood), I found myself questions some of my earlier beliefs ? not
> least as Richard Hell (the inarguable precursor to the Sex Pistols) cops to
> being wowed by Wilko Johnson.
>> 
>> That said, the Stooges predate all that, so it remains the USA!
>> 
>> Glad we settled that.
>> 
>> By the way, ?Oil City Confidential? is a MUST FUCKING SEE.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Alex in NYC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:39 AM, jpwhkj--- via Gathering
> <gathering at misera.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Top ten gathering topics, 1996-2015:
>>> 
>>> 1. Punk - born in the USA?
>>> 2. OT posts - love 'em or loathe 'em?
>>> 3. Are Killing Joke a goth band?
>>> 4. The new album (whichsoever it may be) - it's a bit good, right?
>>> 5. Er....
>>> 6. That's it.
>>> 
>>> (With apologies to Private Eye)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nick Scott <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 9:57
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] On Fucking Topic.....
>>> 
>>> I did say needless argument AND discussion, so yeah some of it was
> discussed, some of it was needless, most of it is irrelevant.
>>> On 18 October 2015 at 09:04 Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com
> <>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't agree at all. I think it has been a very respectful, 
>>> illuminating discussion and, as Adam pointed out, on topic in a broad 
>>> sense. It sounds like Nick is the only one who needs to calm down.
>>> It's nice to see some activity of any sort on the list, new album or 
>>> no new album.
>>> 
>>>> On 10/17/15, Adam Helfer via Gathering <gathering at misera.net <>> wrote:
>>>> I agree also..
>>>> 
>>>> Im trying to put shit to rest...
>>>> Putting shit to rest, sometimes maybe takes 5 minutes,,
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 17, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Nick Scott <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk <>>
> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I cannot believe (actually that's a lie) that this fucking thread 
>>>>> has turned into a needless argument and discussion about 
>>>>> vegetarianism/veganism/meat eaters.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a fucking new album about to be unleashed that some of us 
>>>>> have heard and others are awaiting to discuss, these events happen 
>>>>> once every 3 years or so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a fucking series of screenings of Death & Resurrection 
>>>>> Show at art cinemas across the UK for the UK gatherers to discuss 
>>>>> and even possibly arrange pre-screening meets.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a fucking series of concerts about to happen in both the 
>>>>> UK this autumn and the US the beginning of next year to discuss.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peace out guys, seriously.
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>> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:06:58 -0400
>> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>   <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
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>> Herewith my review of PYLON?
>> 
>> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-age-
>> of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html 
>> <http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-age
>> -of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html>
>> 
>> Your thoughts/criticisms are welcome.
>> 
>> Ale xin NYC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since we're looking for more Pylon discussion, I'll enlarge on my
> comments, informed by listening to the album on repeat since it became
> available.
>>> 
>>> In terms of consistency, for me this is the band's strongest album since
> Night Time. The general quality is very high. Even the weakest tracks
> (Delete and New Jerusalem IMHO) are still decent. For me, every KJ album
> since NT has included some fantastic material and a clutch of tracks I
> simply can't get into. That's not the case with Pylon. That may change when
> I hear the extra tracks, but that's my current assessment.
>>> 
>>> As to quality, the best songs from Pylon are among the best the band have
> released from Extremities onwards. Big Buzz, Euphoria, Into The Unknown, New
> Cold War are all up there with Pandemonium, Money Is Not Our God et al. 
>>> 
>>> In other words, it's a late-period masterpiece, a truly great
> achievement.
>>> 
>>> Jim.
>>> 
>>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by Jim
> Harper (Noir Publishing).
>>> 
>>> "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
> in-depth and slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>>> 
>>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
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>> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:21:25 +0100
>> From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
>>   <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
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>> 
>> Who came up with the triptych idea? I don't recall anyone mentioning a
> triptych when Absolute Dissent and MMXII released.
>> 
>> Jim.
>> 
>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by Jim
> Harper (Noir Publishing).
>> 
>> "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
> in-depth and slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>> 
>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
> bookstores.
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sun, 18/10/15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> Date: Sunday, 18 October, 2015, 21:06
>> 
>> Herewith my review of
>> PYLON?
>> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-age-
>> of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html
>> Your
>> thoughts/criticisms are welcome.
>> Ale
>> xin NYC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jim
>> Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> Since we're looking for more Pylon
>> discussion, I'll enlarge on my comments, informed by listening to the 
>> album on repeat since it became available.
>> 
>> In terms of consistency,
>> for me this is the band's strongest album since Night Time. The 
>> general quality is very high. Even the weakest tracks (Delete and New 
>> Jerusalem IMHO) are still decent. For me, every KJ album since NT has 
>> included some fantastic material and a clutch of tracks I simply can't 
>> get into.
>> That's not the case with Pylon. That may change when I hear the extra 
>> tracks, but that's my current assessment.
>> 
>> As to quality, the best
>> songs from Pylon are among the best the band have released from 
>> Extremities onwards. Big Buzz, Euphoria, Into The Unknown, New Cold 
>> War are all up there with Pandemonium, Money Is Not Our God et al.
>> 
>> In other words, it's a late-period
>> masterpiece, a truly great achievement.
>> 
>> Jim.
>> 
>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The
>> Modern Japanese Horror Film, by Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).
>> 
>> "Fascinating
>> overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive, in-depth and 
>> slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>> 
>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good 
>> bookstores.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:37:40 -0400
>> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>   <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
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>> I believe I first read that on the initial NME write-up. It?s possible the
> notion of a triptych didn?t reveal itself until they were composing this
> third one.
>> 
>> Alex in NYC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Who came up with the triptych idea? I don't recall anyone mentioning a
> triptych when Absolute Dissent and MMXII released.
>>> 
>>> Jim.
>>> 
>>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by Jim
> Harper (Noir Publishing).
>>> 
>>> "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
> in-depth and slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>>> 
>>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
> bookstores.
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Sun, 18/10/15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Date: Sunday, 18 October, 2015, 21:06
>>> 
>>> Herewith my review of
>>> PYLON?
>>> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-age
>>> -of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html
>>> Your
>>> thoughts/criticisms are welcome.
>>> Ale
>>> xin NYC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jim
>>> Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>> Since we're looking for more Pylon
>>> discussion, I'll enlarge on my comments, informed by listening to the 
>>> album on repeat since it became available.
>>> 
>>> In terms of consistency,
>>> for me this is the band's strongest album since Night Time. The 
>>> general quality is very high. Even the weakest tracks (Delete and New 
>>> Jerusalem IMHO) are still decent. For me, every KJ album since NT has 
>>> included some fantastic material and a clutch of tracks I simply 
>>> can't get into.
>>> That's not the case with Pylon. That may change when I hear the extra 
>>> tracks, but that's my current assessment.
>>> 
>>> As to quality, the best
>>> songs from Pylon are among the best the band have released from 
>>> Extremities onwards. Big Buzz, Euphoria, Into The Unknown, New Cold 
>>> War are all up there with Pandemonium, Money Is Not Our God et al.
>>> 
>>> In other words, it's a late-period
>>> masterpiece, a truly great achievement.
>>> 
>>> Jim.
>>> 
>>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by 
>>> Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).
>>> 
>>> "Fascinating
>>> overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive, in-depth and 
>>> slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>>> 
>>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all 
>>> good bookstores.
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:33:33 -0400
>> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>   <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
>> Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS1970D47865D47F31462E504A93B0 at phx.gbl>
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>> 
>> Solid review good for both old and new listeners. Good balance of 
>> discussing the music as well as lyrics. My favorite part was about the 
>> anemic piffle (2015 music)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:07 PM, "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Herewith my review of PYLON?
>>> 
>>> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-age
>>> -of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html
>>> 
>>> Your thoughts/criticisms are welcome.
>>> 
>>> Ale xin NYC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Since we're looking for more Pylon discussion, I'll enlarge on my
> comments, informed by listening to the album on repeat since it became
> available.
>>>> 
>>>> In terms of consistency, for me this is the band's strongest album since
> Night Time. The general quality is very high. Even the weakest tracks
> (Delete and New Jerusalem IMHO) are still decent. For me, every KJ album
> since NT has included some fantastic material and a clutch of tracks I
> simply can't get into. That's not the case with Pylon. That may change when
> I hear the extra tracks, but that's my current assessment.
>>>> 
>>>> As to quality, the best songs from Pylon are among the best the band
> have released from Extremities onwards. Big Buzz, Euphoria, Into The
> Unknown, New Cold War are all up there with Pandemonium, Money Is Not Our
> God et al. 
>>>> 
>>>> In other words, it's a late-period masterpiece, a truly great
> achievement.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim.
>>>> 
>>>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by
> Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).
>>>> 
>>>> "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
> in-depth and slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>>>> 
>>>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
> bookstores.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> From: "wessidetempest ." <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
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>> Well done Alex. And yes I did not noticing the triptych until this record.
> So I wonder if it is a preemptive statement. Meaning Killing Joke will not
> continue as it currently stands. Members may be to busy to record tour. Or
> have other interests. Only time will tell. 
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:37 PM, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe I first read that on the initial NME write-up. It?s possible
> the notion of a triptych didn?t reveal itself until they were composing this
> third one.
>>> 
>>> Alex in NYC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Who came up with the triptych idea? I don't recall anyone mentioning a
> triptych when Absolute Dissent and MMXII released.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim.
>>>> 
>>>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by
> Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).
>>>> 
>>>> "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
> in-depth and slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>>>> 
>>>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
> bookstores.
>>>> 
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Sun, 18/10/15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pylon further...
>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>> Date: Sunday, 18 October, 2015, 21:06
>>>> 
>>>> Herewith my review of
>>>> PYLON?
>>>> http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2015/10/metadata-panic-in-the-ag
>>>> e-of-surveillance-killing-joke-unleashes-pylon-.html
>>>> Your
>>>> thoughts/criticisms are welcome.
>>>> Ale
>>>> xin NYC
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Jim
>>>> Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Since we're looking for more Pylon
>>>> discussion, I'll enlarge on my comments, informed by listening to 
>>>> the album on repeat since it became available.
>>>> 
>>>> In terms of consistency,
>>>> for me this is the band's strongest album since Night Time. The 
>>>> general quality is very high. Even the weakest tracks (Delete and 
>>>> New Jerusalem IMHO) are still decent. For me, every KJ album since 
>>>> NT has included some fantastic material and a clutch of tracks I 
>>>> simply can't get into.
>>>> That's not the case with Pylon. That may change when I hear the 
>>>> extra tracks, but that's my current assessment.
>>>> 
>>>> As to quality, the best
>>>> songs from Pylon are among the best the band have released from 
>>>> Extremities onwards. Big Buzz, Euphoria, Into The Unknown, New Cold 
>>>> War are all up there with Pandemonium, Money Is Not Our God et al.
>>>> 
>>>> In other words, it's a late-period
>>>> masterpiece, a truly great achievement.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim.
>>>> 
>>>> NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, 
>>>> by Jim Harper (Noir Publishing).
>>>> 
>>>> "Fascinating
>>>> overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive, in-depth and 
>>>> slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
>>>> 
>>>> Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all 
>>>> good bookstores.
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