[kj] kj] Age of Greed- Veggie Heaven

Paul dubecho at gmail.com
Sat Oct 17 15:27:16 EDT 2015 

Ireland Vs All Blacks final! (Hopefully)

On 17 October 2015 at 20:20, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

> I think we'd already arrived at an amicable destination, per Rangecroft's
> Porky Pig reply to my bacon baiting (good natured response to good natured
> poke in the ribs back), but thanks to the Big Boys for coming in and laying
> down the law.
>
> If you need an emoticon airdrop to not take offence, you're not going to
> fare well here.
>
> And if anyone's misconstruing my meat loyalty club comments, Maddox vids
> etc as "because bacon" - pay attention.
>
> One thing I'll call out is the term "climate change denier" - it's a
> disingenuous phrase and misrepresents the central debate, viz
> "anthropogenic global warming".  Everyone's heard of ice ages, last one
> wasn't long ago, we all know the climate changes, so the accusation is
> redundant and misleading. And the "denier" epithet is disingenuous at best,
> sinister at worst.
>
> Who's seen Randall Carlson on Joe Rogan? One of the best Rogan podcasts,
> and anyone into the esoteric will probably love Carlson's other vids on
> sacred geometry. But his kosher / mainstream stuff on snap-freezing of
> mammoths, mastodons, wooly rhinos etc is great.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ
>
> Time to watch the All Blacks CRUSH France.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Adam
> Helfer via Gathering
> Sent: Sunday, 18 October 2015 6:36 a.m.
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net
> >
> Cc: Adam Helfer <devacor at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] kj] Age of Greed- Veggie Heaven
>
> I'll say a few things in response to some of what's been put in this
> thread..
>
> And as a veggie and a researcher --
>
> - 1 - meat/climate change/sustainable-- skewed/Mis interpreted stats that
> are basing this on conventional/industrial animals and their waste and
> emissions..it's due to what they are being fed / un natural - but it's not
> an inherent issue..
>
> It's quite different with pastured animals, as they eat what the are
> supposed to  -- and for instance pastured cow dung in relation to dung,
> soil and environment would actually cleanse and balance the atmosphere ,
> not harm it..
>
> And there is a model in which small and medium sized organic/pastured
> farms could feed the planet..
>
> 2 - indigenous cultures left to just nature , without any dogma  or
> religious indoctrination - There is no vegetarian or vegan found in nature
> - with the exception of India , but anything veggie is based on religious
> indoctrination..
>
> And these cultures were very compassionate, in tune, and understanding the
> inter connectedness of life -none chose veggie..and they thrived..
>
> And some had an abundance of plant foods, but actually would risk their
> lives to hunt for various animal foods, as they knew it's what tied their
> health together..
>  Such as this one culture who had plenty of food ,but hunted sharks with
> crude tools for fermented shark livers. - in which the saw what it did to
> fortify their health..
>
> 3 - based on the end of #2 - vegetarians as 'healthier'/health reasons, is
> a skewed myth --the stats on that are (again) comparing people eating a
> conventional meat eating diet - which conventional animal products  can be
> night/day compared to pastured products..
>
> In which is why there was some I defends cultures who are mostly animal
> products ,but didn't have a word for cancer in their vocabulary..
>
> So if you take stats for people eating only pastured animals products vs
> veg, different outcome..
> And I've worked in health and wellness long enough to see that there isn't
> one diet that fits everyone- a lot is due to ones ancestral heritage,.
>
> Myself and associates have almost a crappy part time job out of it, but
> rehabbing vegans and veggies, mostly 'health food' ones, whose health
> fails..mostly athletic females..
>
> Crux of the issue is , proper fats- we need fats to assimilate our fat
> soluble vitamins..
> Plant fats don't have all the components to be efficient in doing so..
>
> Most people , even if they wanted to, would not thrive on a veggie or
> vegan diet and eventually would have issues - I see it all the time..
>
> And going back to the indigenous/nature diet choices and fact that most
> people don't really thrive on a veggie diet.
>  Seems a little ridiculous to think , if ones accepts the 'gears of karma'
> that nature is made to not provide most humans to thrive on a veggie /vegan
> diet- yet will 'karmically judge them' by eating what they need to thrive
> but punish them for it,.
>
> I've spent too much time around high ranking members of the veggie /vegan
> police , interchangeable with the 'karma police' , interchangable w
> fundamental religionists who  are working with Mis interpretations and skew
> and highlight texts and passages to support their fundamentalism,.
> -- to have Any more patience with that sort of crap..
>
> And no Jim, that has nothing to do w being pissed when someone says mm
> bacon in response to ones veggieness. That's just weak lameness..
>
> When all sentiment and half truths are shaken out- being veggie is just a
> personal choice - no more, no less - and someone should be respected for a
> conscious personal choice,.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> > On Oct 17, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have no problem with meat-eaters. None of my wives/girlfriends/sigoths
> have been vegetarians. My mother was, but none of my remaining relatives
> are.
> >
> > I do  dislike those who think that saying "bacon sandwich" in front of a
> veggie is (a) funny, and (b) likely to provoke the same response as waving
> a crucifix in front of a vampire. Neither is true, and you're a moron.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > On Sat, 17/10/15, Adam Helfer via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [kj] kj] Age of Greed- Veggie Heaven
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > Cc: "Adam Helfer" <devacor at aol.com>
> > Date: Saturday, 17 October, 2015, 16:56
> >
> > Speaking from a Veggie-
> > takes more to 'regaining a human birth or beyond', then being a smug
> > asshole vegetarian..
> >
> > And in veggie self- righteousness, when one predictably tries to whip
> > out the 'wheels of karma'
> > on an omnivore, they themselves get the wheels put to them..
> >
> > A plant eater
> > getting just that - Rebirth as a Plant
> >
> > To potentially get eaten by an animal, to get crapped out and fed to a
> > pig, made into bacon...
> >
> > Circle of life at it's
> > finest..
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Oct 17, 2015, at 10:58
> > AM, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ju... ju
> > ju ju... just K k... k karma, Porky!
> >
> >>> On 10/17/15, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
> > wrote:
> >>> "Enjoy your countless
> > future animal rebirths."
> >>>
> >>> Is that some kind of meat loyalty club
> > thing? Can I have countless future
> > rebirths of whichever one bacon comes from...?
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> From:
> > Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> > On Behalf Of Paul
> >>> Rangecroft
> >>> Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2015 11:02
> > p.m.
> >>> To: A list about all things
> > Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: [kj] kj] Age of Greed
> >>>
> >>> Wasn't
> > it Alex who started this thread by proudly declaring he was in no way
> >>> a vegetarian?
> >>>
> >>> I'll
> > never be able to understand how someone can put their own temporary
> >>> pleasure above the life
> > of another sentient being but hey that's just me.
> >>> Enjoy your countless future animal
> > rebirths.
> > Even if you don't agree with that, only climate change deniers should
> > eat
> >>> meat because the
> > environmental impact is so high.
> >
> >>> "You are an inspiration to
> > me..."
> >>>
> >>>> On 10/16/15, Mike Cooper <mike at coopersurf.fsnet.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >>>> Not a vegan, but am a
> > veggie.  But can I make the point that
> >>>> proportion of people saying that
> > they are meat eaters is way greater.
> >>>> Take a pub scene one person says
> > they are vegan, six will then say “they
> >>>> either love meat”
> >>>> and six will say  or “cannot
> > live without bacon” .
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I make that 12 to 1.  I rest my
> > case!!!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> To be fair I found out two weeks
> > ago that a friend of six or seven
> >>>> years is vegan – never told
> > anyone.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> > On Behalf Of
> >>>> Brendan Quinn
> >>>> Sent: 16 October 2015 15:55
> >>>> To: 'A list about all things
> > Killing Joke (the band!)'
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [kj] kj] Age of
> > Greed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Maddox, of ‘Best Page in the
> > Universe’ fame, has an amusing take on it:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=bsitu_e01
> > – starts 05:17
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Vegan-Asshole Correlation
> > Theory
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> t = Time it takes to explain
> > stupid diet
> >>>>
> >>>> M = Amount of meat not eaten
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> t =
> > 1/M
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> “The amount of time it takes for
> > somebody to explain their diet is
> >>>> inversely proportional to the
> > amount of meat they don't eat, and
> >>>> directly proportional to how big
> > of an asshole they are”
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ;)
> >
> >
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> > On Behalf Of Rob
> >>>> Moss
> >>>> Sent: Friday, 16 October 2015 2:35
> > a.m.
> >>>> To: A list about all
> > things Killing Joke (the band!)
> > <gathering at misera.net
> > <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
> >>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [kj] kj] Age
> > of Greed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> How do you know someone is a
> > vegan?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't worry. They'll
> > fucking tell you!! ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 15 Oct 2015, at 15:28,
> > wessidetempest . <
> > <mailto:wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
> > wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> > I'm a vegetarian for over 20 years. 99% for health reasons. I've been
> > known to stray. Never because I cave meat hit because I am in a
> >>>>> scenario that involves
> > meat. For example  a friend has an annual
> >>>>> chili cook off that I
> > contribute to. Well to be part of the fun and
> >>>>> submit a vote you have to try
> > it all. Another time was seeing Tom
> >>>>> Waits. It seemed very
> > appropriate to go get a nice steak and bourbon.
> >>>>
> > So I'm not opposed to having meat occasionally.  But I never crave it.
> >>>>> Never liked
> > seafood. Appreciate a good steak but never crave it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 9:02
> > AM, Jim Harper <
> > <mailto:jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> > jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Been a vegetarian for 30
> > years. Can't honestly say I miss steak ;)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Jim.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, 14/10/15,
> > Alexander Smith < <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>
> >>>>>> vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] kj] Age
> > of Greed
> >>>>
> >>>>>> To: "A list about all
> > things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> >>>>
> >>>>>> < <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
> > gathering at misera.net>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 14
> > October, 2015, 19:03
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Jon, if you ever make it
> > to NYC, I
> >>>>
> >>>>>> will take you to a steak
> > house that will make you eat those hastily
> >>>>
> >>>>>> uttered words.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Alex in NYC … in no way
> > a
> >>>>
> >>>>>> vegetarian.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct
> >>>>
> >>>>>> 14, 2015, at 11:44 AM, jon
> > chapman <
> > <mailto:jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>
> >>>>>> jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> THE YANKS have never had a
> > tender and juicy one.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> From:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> <mailto:danielcorvo at hotmail.co.uk>
> > danielcorvo at hotmail.co.uk
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015
> >>>>
> >>>>>> 16:23:40 +0100
> >>>>
> >>>>>> To:  <mailto:gathering at misera.net>
> > gathering at misera.net
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] kj]
> > Age
> >>>>
> >>>>>> of Greed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Does look tender and
> > juicy...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On 14 Oct 2015, at 16:22,
> > Tabazan
> >>>>
> >>>>>> < <mailto:tabazan at gmail.com>
> > tabazan at gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> You can't read that
> >>>>
> >>>>>> without hearing the drums
> > start can you :)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at
> >>>>
> >>>>>> 1:23 PM, Alexander Smith
> > < <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>
> >>>>>> vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Spotted this morning.
> > Check out the
> >>>>
> >>>>>> tag line at the top of the
> > back of the truck.
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
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