[kj] Drowned in Sound meets Youth from Killing Joke

Nick Scott npscott at blueyonder.co.uk
Tue Nov 17 05:41:55 EST 2015


Although not in time for the UK tour now clearly ;)

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>     On 17 November 2015 at 10:34 Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>     Nice to hear The Hum will be making a return to the setlist!
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>     Jim.
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>     On Tue, 17/11/15, Nick Scott <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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>     Subject: Re: [kj] Drowned in Sound meets Youth from Killing Joke
>     To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
>     Date: Tuesday, 17 November, 2015, 10:20
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>     Thanks for posting this Paul, nice read. 
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>     On 17 November 2015 at 01:03 Paul
>     <dubecho at gmail.com> wrote:
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>     DiS meets Youth from Killing Joke
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>     by Dom Gourlay November 16th, 2015
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>     When Killing Joke put out their first album in the
>     summer of 1980, no one could have predicted they'd be
>     here, thirty-five years later, talking about their sixteenth
>     long player. Least of all the band themselves. Nevertheless,
>     that's where they find themselves having released said
>     record Pylon some five days earlier. Today's midweek
>     charts reveal the album currently stands at the heady
>     heights of number eleven, their highest chart placing since
>     1985's Night Time. For a band who've operated
>     outside of the mainstream throughout their lifespan, these
>     are celebratory times.
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>     Currently halfway through a near sold out UK tour that
>     will see them enrapture a jam packed Rock City in a few
>     hours time, the four-piece - Jaz Coleman (vocals), Kevin
>     "Geordie" Walker (guitars), Martin
>     "Youth" Glover (bass) and "Big" Paul
>     Ferguson (drums) - might be in their twilight years yet
>     their music still pushes boundaries with every subsequent
>     release.
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>     Having just returned from an in-store at the
>     city's Fopp Records, DiS sat down with Youth - himself
>     an esteemed producer in his own right - to discuss both his
>     and the band's currently hectic schedules. But first,
>     the conversation starts right here...
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>     DiS: You've played Nottingham Rock City
>     numerous times over the years. What's so special too you
>     about the city and the venue?
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>     Youth: I think we've played here fifteen times.
>     Its got a special connection for me because one of my great
>     aunts lived here. She was deaf and blind and worked on the
>     local newspaper. Even in her late eighties she was still
>     working for them. Whenever we played here I'd go round
>     to her flat and fetch her. She'd be chain smoking
>     Gauloises, have the TV and radio on full blast and she would
>     this thick, gloopy coffee.Which she'd drink constantly
>     while tapping away on her typewriter doing local stories. So
>     we'd bring her down here and the staff were always
>     really good. They'd bring her in with her wheelchair and
>     look after her. And she loved the band. I think we were
>     always loud enough for her to hear and get the experience.
>     I've still got a cigarette box of hers I carry around.
>     She was a favourite aunt of mine so I've always got fond
>     memories of coming here and seeing her.
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>     DiS: Do you feel there's quite a
>     connection between the band and Nottingham audiences? I
>     remember as a teenager whenever 'Pssyche' or
>     'Love Like Blood' came on during one of their club
>     nights the Rock City dancefloor would fill up in
>     seconds.
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>     Youth: Nottingham's the heartland of England
>     isn't it? It's not quite the Midlands - East
>     Midlands right? - but it's got a great rock heritage.
>     The shows have always gone down well here and we've
>     enjoyed playing them.
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>     DiS: Your latest album Pylon came out last
>     week. Did you think you'd be sat here 37 years after the
>     band started talking about the releae of your 16th long
>     player?
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>     Youth: No I didn't. I thought the band would last
>     six months to a year really, so it's amazing. But we
>     were ambitious, there's no doubt about it. We always had
>     our hearts and eyes set on the same targets and we had every
>     intention of taking them on in a big way. Yet at the same
>     time we weren't bothered about it! We were just happy to
>     get away with doing it. It's especially great now
>     because we finally have the experience and expertise
>     we've learned to make records the way we always wanted
>     to. Which is possibly why the new album's going down so
>     well. We worked out a good modus operandi how to make them
>     well. We might have got lucky with this one? All of them
>     have really great lyrics but this one seems quite complete.
>     Even though people still talk about our early albums as
>     being great records - which to a degree they are - we were
>     never entirely satisfied with them at the time. We're
>     never very satisfied anyway but with this one I think we
>     managed to get everyone fairly satisfied. And that's a
>     good feeling. Plus I think it's great we still have
>     something to say as a band and we're still engaged,
>     present and relevant.
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>     DiS: Your last three records - 2011's
>     Absolute Dissent, MMXII the following year and now Pylon
>     rank among your finest for me. So I'd wholeheartedly
>     agree that Killing Joke are as if not more relevant now than
>     they've ever been. Particularly when put alongside many
>     other bands who've reunited purely in the name of
>     nostalgia, which is something you've never
>     done.
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>     Youth: It's interesting because a lot of bands of
>     a similar age to us - they're not up for making new
>     records. Most of them haven't made a record for at least
>     twenty years, and the further up that mountain you get, the
>     colder the wind blows. So they end up deliberately avoiding
>     it because they don't know how they got there in the
>     beginning. Or things have changed so much they don't
>     have the urgency or passion to do it again. Whereas luckily
>     for us we've never really stopped. The band have made
>     three albums in the last five years and I'm making
>     records all the time with other artists. It's brought
>     the whole band up to steam a bit. Absolute Dissent was more
>     of a regrouping and a little self referential. MMXII was a
>     bit more focused but we also experimented a lot on that.
>     With this one we just decided let's go really heavy and
>     that's how it came out. We also spent a lot of time
>     writing this one. Two or three two-week heavily focused
>     sessions in Prague, which ended up garnering thirty or forty
>     really strong ideas. So eventually we worked them down to
>     sixteen songs and then we finished up with the ten that made
>     it onto the album.
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>     DiS: Of the six that didn't make Pylon, do
>     you see yourselves revisiting them in the future?
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>     Youth: Well, originally when we were making MMXII we
>     had this track called 'In Cythera' which our
>     guitarist Geordie really hated. But eventually it became the
>     lead single off the record and I actually think it's the
>     greatest single we've ever done. With this album we had
>     a similar track called 'Love Is The Law' which again
>     Geordie doesn't like because there's very little
>     guitars on it, and I think it's possibly the second
>     greatest single we've ever made. So we decided as a
>     group - reluctantly on my part - to leave it off the album
>     although Geordie has said he would consider revisiting it
>     with extra guitars on. So maybe we'll put it out next
>     summer? We're certainly not short of material. We're
>     all writing a lot. There wasn't a dull moment during the
>     writing sessions. We had lots of ideas. It was just a matter
>     of getting them all down.
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>     DiS: That sounds quite frustrating. Are there
>     a lot of disagreements when it comes to deciding which
>     tracks to release?
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>     Youth: We are a workers collective and we're all
>     very strong alpha males with strong opinions. Sometimes we
>     have a tendency to murder songs early on, just to give them
>     a chance. It's about putting them in the ring and facing
>     the seven-headed hydra, and if they work we're generally
>     in unanimous decision. If it doesn't - if two of us want
>     to work on it a little further it usually gets to the point
>     where all of us are on board or none of us want to fight for
>     it. It's difficult, it's challenging and it's
>     frustrating. It's also really democratic so if three of
>     us don't like something but one does and they've
>     pushed at it we'll usually give it a chance. It all
>     depends how hard someone is prepared to fight for that song.
>     And even then, by the time the lyrics are added and a few
>     other things are changed it's completely different to
>     the song you first brought to the table anyway!
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>     DiS: Were there any other songs on the record
>     which you had to fight for?
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>     Youth: Yeah, and a lot of them didn't make it. Two
>     of my favourite songs didn't make it,
>     'Apotheosis' and 'Panopticon'. They're
>     both on the bonus disc. There was another song which was
>     based around a Barry White bassline. We got quite far down
>     the road with it but then it got dropped late on. But
>     they're the classic sabotage techniques we know and love
>     Killing Joke for really. And I do like that. If the songs
>     are good enough they'll end up on a b-side or EP anyway.
>     I guess it's our infantile arrogance which allows us to
>     self-sabotage to that degree. And get away with it!
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>     DiS: You've described the last three
>     albums as being a triptych of ideas. Will the next record be
>     in a similar vein or are you hoping to do something
>     completely different?
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>     Youth: Every record we make feels like the last record
>     we'll ever make and then we're here again so I
>     don't know. I would imagine we'll make another album
>     and I'd expect it to have a different vibe. Our records
>     tend to reflect where we are emotionally as individuals and
>     that's generally changing.
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>     DiS: Pylon is currently number eleven in the
>     midweek charts which is your highest position in thirty
>     years. Do you consider the charts relevant?
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>     Youth: As relevant as they ever were I guess. It's
>     a great result for us and good affirmation that we're
>     still relevant. Even though they're not that important
>     every band would like to be number one when they put a
>     record out. So to go top twenty is an amazing thing for us
>     and a bit of a surprise really. We've always found
>     ourselves tucked away in a cult minor league somewhere so
>     this shows there's still a lot of support for the band
>     out there.
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>     DiS: Tom Dalgety produced the album having
>     also worked on the last record. Are you big fans of his
>     work, particularly what he did with the Royal Blood
>     album?
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>     Youth: We liked what he did on MMXII so we were happy
>     to let him do a big chunk of the engineering and production
>     on this record. Most of the recordings were done by the
>     three of us - me, Geordie and Paul - with a little in-house
>     engineer in Prague. In fact, he wasn't there a lot of
>     the time so I engineered most of it. Then Tom came in and
>     did some individual tracks with us. Paul didn't want
>     anyone there when he was doing the drums so it was just him
>     and Tom with me ringing up every couple of hours saying
>     "Make sure he does this!" or "Forget
>     that!" or "Cover yourself with this!" And it
>     worked out fine. His drums came out fantastically well and
>     we were all happy with how it sounded. Then Geordie did some
>     guitar overdubs with Tom and mixed it. That was great
>     because when I take the full weight and responsibility for
>     that side of things it incurs a lot of resentment from the
>     rest of the band. Because I'm in the band. You know, why
>     should he have more power than the rest of us? Especially
>     when I signed the band to my label. That was a nightmare!
>     It's better to just be the bass player and a
>     co-producer, so another co-producer can take some of the
>     flak.
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>     DiS: Does your work with other artists impact
>     on what you bring to Killing Joke? For example, has there
>     ever been a time when you've heard something in the
>     studio and immediately thought that would work on a Killing
>     Joke record too?
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>     Youth: Whatever I do informs everything else I do to
>     some extent. I tend not to compare or compromise projects
>     with other projects I may be involved with. I have clear
>     boundaries. They are two totally different disciplines so in
>     lots of ways, no. The only time it becomes a problem is if
>     the managers fuck it up and they double book me. It's
>     been fairly smooth in that department mainly because the
>     others are always busy as well. If it was just me the band
>     were waiting around for that might cause a problem but
>     it's not, so everything usually works out OK.
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>     DiS: What other projects are you working on at
>     present?
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>     Youth: I've been working on the Spiritualized
>     record and more recently, the new Jesus & Mary Chain one
>     which is a big deal as it's their first record in
>     seventeen years.
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>     DiS: How are they getting on?
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>     Youth: Well, the Reid brothers are still talking to
>     each other! That's good, and the songs are phenomenal.
>     It's sounding great. We're at the halfway stage now
>     so it should be ready by the end of the year.
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>     DiS: What about the Spiritualized
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>     Youth: I recorded around twenty-two tracks with Jason
>     (Pierce) then we took a break so he could do some summer
>     festivals. And then he came back and decided he wanted to
>     throw the whole thing away and start again. He does have the
>     capacity to do that every now and then. He's a very
>     challenging artist who has a very high criteria of what
>     he's looking for. So I don't know what's going
>     on there at the minute or whether I'll be working on it
>     again.
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>     DiS: With such a vast back catalogue to choose
>     from, are there any records you're not particularly fond
>     of or try to avoid when putting together a live
>     setlist?
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>     Youth: I don't really go towards Revelations or
>     Night Time that much, but the rest of the band really want
>     to do them, so we've agreed to do 'The Hum' and
>     'Eighties' at some point. I don't really like
>     those records so I'd prefer not to but then there are
>     other songs I never really liked the recorded versions of
>     yet we made them sound killer live. We're in a good
>     position having such a big canon to play around with.
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>     DiS: Your fanbase also covers a wide
>     demographic, especially since the last three
>     albums.
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>     Youth: That's right. We travelled that journey
>     throughout the demise of the tribes. People are more open to
>     diverse sounds now. We've opened everything up from just
>     dub and trance mixes which is a reflection of how people are
>     today. Acid house changed a lot of that. I remember hearing
>     Phil Collins play George Clinton followed by U2 followed by
>     Phil Collins and the place would be going crazy!
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>     DiS: You're already scheduled to tour
>     America in the early part of 2016. What does the rest of the
>     year hold for the band?
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>     Youth: We're also planning to go to Europe,
>     Australia and Asia so a large chunk of next year will be
>     spent touring with possibly a few festivals in there as
>     well.
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>     DiS: What advice would you give to new bands
>     just starting out?
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>     Youth: Get your vision and manifesto together and if
>     you're really connected with it, see what happens.
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>     DiS: Are there any new artists you've been
>     impressed with recently?
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>     Youth: I really like the new Tame Impala album. The
>     new Fuzz record is great too.
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>     The album Pylon is out now on Spinefarm Records.
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