[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 147, Issue 46

Neil Perry 65snoopy at gmail.com
Wed Jun 24 09:46:18 EDT 2015 

Yep he was concerned about Big Government. Pretty sure him and Jaz would
be on first name terms if he was still around!

On 24 June 2015 at 15:32, kevin <patrickvieira at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Neil.
> Here are some more quotes fro the esteemed Lord Bertrand Russell.
>
> "Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to
> produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities
> consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will
> become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will
> believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they
> are so."
> -Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society p50, 1953
>
> "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between
> rulers
> and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A
> revolt
> of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of
> sheep against the practice of eating mutton."
> *- Bertrand Russell, "The Impact of Science on Society", 1953, pg 49-50*
>
> "In like manner, the scientific rulers will provide one kind of education
> for ordinary men and women, and another for those who are to become holders
> of scientific power. Ordinary men and women will be expected to be docile,
> industrious, punctual, thoughtless, and contented. Of these qualities,
> probably contentment will be considered the most important. In order to
> produce it, all the researches of psycho-analysis, behaviourism, and
> biochemistry will be brought into play.... All the boys and girls will
> learn
> from an early age to be what is called 'co-operative,' i.e., to do exactly
> what everybody is doing. Initiative will be discouraged in these children,
> and insubordination, without being punished, will be scientifically trained
> out of them."
>
> "On those rare occasions, when a boy or girl who has passed the age at
> which
> it is usual to determine social status shows such marked ability as to seem
> the intellectual equal of the rulers, a difficult situation will arise,
> requiring serious consideration. If the youth is content to abandon his
> previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the
> rulers,
> he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable
> solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly
> conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to
> the
> lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to
> spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they
> will not shrink from performing it."
> *- Bertrand Russell, "The Scientific Outlook", 1931*
>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/teachAndLearnOnline/browse_thread/thread/aded81878e829b96>
>
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> > 1. Re: Lecture last night (Neil Perry)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:07:05 +0200
> > From: Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > I agree that various powers-that-be right now are probably screwing with
> > all sorts of things they shouldn't.
> > As you say, humans are stupid. And cloud seeding is, or was, a fairly
> > common practice (the Chinese
> > tried it during the Olympic games in Beijing, apparently).
> >
> > However, with this particular chemtrails 'theory', I will willingly stake
> > my life on the fact that it is utter bollocks.
> > The photo in the link below is of American B17 bombers flying over Europe
> > during WW2. They are
> > leaving contrails. This is because the hot exhaust from the engines is
> > reacting with the cold air.
> > These are *exactly the same* as the contrails left by modern jet planes.
> > While allied forces were fighting for their lives and flying missions
> over
> > Europe to bomb the Nazis,
> > were they also involved in a secret mission to spray something into the
> > atmosphere? You can
> > see the same trails in photos of RAF and Luftwaffe planes engaged in
> > dogfights during the Battle
> > of Britain. During this air war to halt the Nazi invasion of the UK, were
> > *both sides*, for some reason, also
> > thinking, right, this is the perfect opportunity to secretly spray stuff
> > into the atmosphere...!?
> >
> > The whole chemtrail thing didn't start up until the mid-1990s... about
> the
> > time any old nutjob with a mad theory
> > could suddenly gain a wide audience thanks to the internet. If it had
> been
> > going on since the 1940s, why
> > had no one mentioned it before? Because it is made-up shite, that's why.
> >
> > Right. I promise never to speak of it again. For a while.
> >
> > B17s pic
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail#/media/File:340bs-97bg-b-17s.jpg
> >
> > Battle of Britain pic
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain#/media/File:British_and_German_aircraft_a_dog_fight.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> > On 24 June 2015 at 00:27, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > i wont say i believe in them, but i would not put it passed The Powers
> > > That Be to fuck around with geo-engineering...
> > > in fact, i would not put it passed them to simply fuck around with
> things
> > > they have little understanding of. so, to say it is all a load of
> bollox i
> > > think is overly simplistic. these cunts have huge budgets and no
> morals.
> > > and like doing stuff... ... ...
> > > i would be VERY surprised if they haven't at least attempted spraying
> shit
> > > in the atmosphere.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
> > > postponed indefinitely..."
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:29 PM, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <
> > > gathering at misera.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yep, the Extremities gigs were exceptional... in part because the
> first
> > >> gulf war was just starting, and Killing Joke sounded relevant.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe if you believe in chem-trails they still do. Anyone?
> > >>
> > >> Jamie
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: adrianwason <adrianwason at btinternet.com>
> > >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke \\(the band!\\) <
> > >> gathering at misera.net>
> > >> Sent: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 5:46
> > >> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
> > >>
> > >> during the EDAVRE tour, those gigs were as tense as fuck and the
> > >> lyrics meaningful,
> > >> that's why those gigs will always be special, there have been some one
> > >> off brilliant gigs since such as Subterreania 94 Underworld
> 2003,Astoria
> > >> 2005,but they still didn't t have the vibe of the early gigs on that
> tour
> > >>
> > >> ----Original message----
> > >> From : npscott at blueyonder.co.uk
> > >> Date : 22/06/2015 - 14:32 (GMTDT)
> > >> To : gathering at misera.net
> > >> Subject : Re: [kj] Lecture last night
> > >>
> > >> The only time I have seen and took Jaz seriously was during the EDAVRE
> > >> tour, those gigs were as tense as fuck and the lyrics meaningful, and
> you
> > >> could see Jaz and the rest of the band truly meant it onstage.
> > >>
> > >> First outing tour of Pandemonium pre-album release in the UK when I
> saw
> > >> Jaz in his Jesters garb I laughed out loud, since then his stage
> antics
> > >> have been nothing but repetitive B movie style antics and he amuses
> me.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 22 June 2015 at 14:05, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I like Jaz a great deal. I like his intelligence and his passion and
> I
> > >>> think he is the sort of charismatic individual that could quite
> easily
> > >>> start a cult. He does already have a cult following really. And
> that's why
> > >>> I am always wary of him and have never been a "follower".
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm wary of all people like him whether they are musicians,
> > >>> politicians, business leaders, religious sorts. Entertaining. At a
> > >>> distance!!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 22 Jun 2015, at 13:23, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <
> gathering at misera.net>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I took him very seriously when I was 17 or so - quite a while ago,
> > >>> admittedly ;-)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Rob Moss < rob.moss at gmx.com>
> > >>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
> > >>> gathering at misera.net>
> > >>> CC: jpwhkj < jpwhkj at aol.com>
> > >>> Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:14
> > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
> > >>>
> > >>> As do most people as they get older!
> > >>>
> > >>> I've never taken Jaz too serioulsly and not about to start now!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 22 Jun 2015, at 12:16, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <
> gathering at misera.net>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> " among a whole pack of very dumb conspiracies"
> > >>>
> > >>> You've just summed up the last 15 years of KJ lyrics.
> > >>>
> > >>> <sigh>
> > >>>
> > >>> Once upon a time, KJ lyrics were brief, mysterious, and, er,
> > >>> interesting. They've gradually morphed into verbose billboard-sized
> > >>> tediousness.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jamie
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Neil Perry < 65snoopy at gmail.com>
> > >>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
> > >>> gathering at misera.net>
> > >>> Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:27
> > >>> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for that.
> > >>> I think you'll agree (best read in a Marge Simpson-talking-to-Homer
> > >>> voice) that we've put up with
> > >>> a lot during our 30+ year relationship with this band. For a large
> part
> > >>> of it, Jaz's beliefs have shaped
> > >>> the band and their output, and this never detracted from my enjoyment
> > >>> because I was never
> > >>> being asked to accept those beliefs as fact. Jaz has spent a lifetime
> > >>> researching and practising
> > >>> various esoteric and mystical interests that, generally, added to the
> > >>> vibe of the music, and I
> > >>> was happy to accept it all as part of overall KJ experience.
> > >>>
> > >>> However, his recent lurch into full-on conspiracy theory mode I
> find...
> > >>> what's a polite word...
> > >>> irritating, and to hear he's gone down the chemtrail route is
> > >>> particularly irksome.
> > >>> The chemtrail theory is one of the dumbest among a whole pack of very
> > >>> dumb conspiracies...
> > >>> it is so rediculous that I can only rationalise it by thinking that
> > >>> this is some sort of multi-layered
> > >>> joke from Jaz, because I cannot accept that he actually thinks this
> has
> > >>> any basis in reality.
> > >>> 'Chemtrails' are condensation trails - that is why the real name is
> > >>> 'contrails' - and are formed when
> > >>> plane engines spew out water vapour, which crystallize into ice in
> the
> > >>> cold air. This is what those
> > >>> trails are - clouds of ice. That is why they hang there, and slowly
> > >>> dissipate (and note, contrary to
> > >>> the conspiracy claims, they do just hang there, achieving nothing -
> if
> > >>> something was being sprayed, wouldn't the
> > >>> sprayers want the substance to reach the ground?)
> > >>> Just think about it: The entire commercial airline industry - because
> > >>> every single jet plane in existence produces these trails - is
> working
> > >>> for their respective governments/the NWO, to spray something on the
> > >>> planet. And not one person, among the millions who
> > >>> work in the airline industry, including hundreds of thousands of
> > >>> trained pilots, who presumably have to
> > >>> do the spraying, has ever blown the whistle, or even asked, Excuse
> me,
> > >>> what's this stuff coming out of my plane?
> > >>>
> > >>> OK, sorry, rant over. This is not mystical or esoteric, it is idiocy
> of
> > >>> the highest order and it just drives me fecking mad.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 18 June 2015 at 13:50, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> So, last night then.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> First off, two items of news. Jaz and Geordie want to take 100
> > >>>> Gatherers to India at some point (October next year, I think) to
> complete a
> > >>>> several-day pilgrimage around a holy mountain visiting various
> temples. I
> > >>>> forget the name of the pilgrimage, but it is a well-established
> Hindu
> > >>>> pilgrimage that takes place around a full moon.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ?If you?re on the dole and can?t afford it, we?ll just find a way
> for
> > >>>> you to go?.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jaz said that him and Geordie wanted to act as ?mentors? to the 100
> > >>>> to help them identify their inner genius. The idea is, IIRC, to
> then meet
> > >>>> at the next full moon in the UK, and then again a year later to see
> how
> > >>>> much life has changed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Second item of news, is that Jaz plans to do more lectures around
> the
> > >>>> country between tour dates.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The whole activity appears aimed at, as I say, helping those who
> want
> > >>>> to, to identify their inner genius.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Last night was a game of two halves. The first half was about the
> New
> > >>>> World Order and the various conspiracy-theory spokes that come out
> of that
> > >>>> topic. So we heard that the 100-year-old Rockefeller is at the
> centre of
> > >>>> the NWO and wants to finish his project before he dies. And we
> heard about
> > >>>> FEMA camps, about vapour trails dropping nano worms, control of
> population
> > >>>> through food supply, and fluoride in the water?.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Frankly it was a bit of a ramble so a bit hard for me to put
> > >>>> something down coherently about it. Perhaps others could do a
> better job.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Although it was moderately engaging in places, when the break came
> > >>>> and I turned around to see that my two pals (who aren?t fans) had
> left
> > >>>> early; I wasn?t surprised. You had to be very sympathetic to Jaz to
> sit
> > >>>> through non-sourced and surely in some cases wildly exaggerated
> claims.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For example, he spoke of a US senator who did or found something out
> > >>>> (can?t remember what it was but it was alarming), but he didn?t
> name the
> > >>>> senator so how can that be verified? Why wouldn?t you name the
> senator? It
> > >>>> just wreaks of pseudo-academic research.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Another example, this time of exaggeration: he mentioned that a
> > >>>> member of KJ was close to Rockefeller and, by implication, has some
> great
> > >>>> looking-hole into the whole conspiracy shebang.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Obviously he?s referring to BPF here? but c?mon, are we seriously
> > >>>> expected to believe that BPF and Rockefeller are tight? Are we
> supposed to
> > >>>> believe that Rockefeller, who knows presidents, prime ministers,
> > >>>> celebrities and the other four people that run the universe,
> suddenly, in
> > >>>> the very final years of his life, as he?s getting towards 100 and
> going to
> > >>>> die, thinks to himself, ?I know, I?m going to become really close
> to that
> > >>>> guy there, the one who plays drums in a band. He once dusted down
> the toes
> > >>>> of an ancient Buddha sculpture for my Foundation, where he works
> part-time
> > >>>> along with 14,000 other people who I also don?t know. I?m going to
> let this
> > >>>> guy into my inner sanctum and I?m going to tell him everything.?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Course he didn?t do that. Course he f-ing didn?t.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The second half I suppose dwelt a bit more on the spiritual, though
> > >>>> again it?s a bit hard to sum it up as the road he steered through
> this
> > >>>> topic had many turns, junctions, and needed resurfacing in places.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> He ended though with a very nice reading and seemed moved as he left
> > >>>> the stage quickly.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Forgive my somewhat negative review. I?m sure there?s lots I?ve
> > >>>> missed. It was as always a great privilege to sit in with Coleman
> and I
> > >>>> think it?s great that he does these things.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> He was in a friendly, relaxed mood and there were many flashes of
> > >>>> humour.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> About 5/10 for content.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 8/10 for delivery.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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